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I may not know everything, but I do know this: 
All who truly seek God will find Him, and when I truly sought God with all my heart and mind, it was Jesus Christ who showed up and answered my prayer, not another.  He displayed great love to me and forgave me of all my sins, saving my soul.   His love and power was overwhelming, freeing and joyous within me.  This testimony is true and not a lie.  Before God, and on my life, I swear it is so.  Terrance G. Johnson


Common Islamic Questions and Objections Concerning Christianity And The Bible


Introduction

I often hear: God is monotheistic and basically the same for Islam, Judaism and Christianity, so what is all the fuss or 
controversy about?

 

First, let me shock you a bit, for Judaism and Christianity were NEVER monotheistic.  It is primarily secular groups, Islam and ignorant religious liberals (many within Judaism and Christianity) that attempt to fit God into this definition.  Although, Judaism and Christianity have been often defined as being "monotheistic", the God of the Bible (from Genesis to Revelation) does not truly described Himself purely in such a narrow, absolutely singular, manner.  We do not know if the Islamic doctrine of at-Tawhid was borrowed from the ancient Egyptian concept of Aten (1379 -1362 B.C.), which was defined as a universal, omnipresent spirit and sole creator the universe, (Encyclopaedia of the Orient).  However, the Egyptian concept of one almighty God, separate and above from all the other gods is very similar to how the Islamic idea for one almighty God was developed, out from the 360 gods of Mecca and Medina.  Examine the questions and answers below (particularly those dealing with the Trinity and Jesus Christ) to see the Scriptural references that demonstrate how God describes Himself to humanity through the patriarchs, the prophets and in the person of Jesus Christ Himself, because much of God's self-portrait has been overlooked, distorted, or deliberately ignored by many.  

 

A brief summary could be put this way: When God says He is "one", this is only a small part of His overall description of Himself.  Because His oneness is only a single aspect of God's overall makeup, it is like looking at a great work of art and only focusing in close on a small part, like a nose, and then declaring to everyone saying, "God is a big nose".  It's ludicrous.  God is a supernatural, almighty Spirit, who is not bound by the dimensions He created.  He can be everywhere, know every thought of every person and manifest Himself multiple ways in various dimensions all at once, when He chooses to do so, both in the material dimension and non-material dimension.  

 

Unfortunately, most people have not carefully studied what God has said about His supernatural nature, nor been observant concerning the things He has done when He has "materialized" and acted within the natural realm. Thus, the majority of mankind is ignorant about God and tries to define Him using reverse logic, by confining Him primarily to a naturalistic setting and behavior (i.e. some old, powerful, angry guy, stuck on a throne up in Heaven somewhere).  By using this narrow and inadequate view, they misrepresent God, often in a very dogmatic manner, likely because the supernatural is just too much for them to wrap their brain around and understand. Yet, God has given us plenty to go on, if we have an open mind to examine it. 

 

Take a little time to at least go through the first 20 answers, or so, below on this page to see what I mean.

 

May God bless you greatly as you seek to learn what He has given us to know.  TJ

M.Amin, Muslim Imam Turns to Christ After Miraculous Healing

 

How Can Anyone Say That The Qur’an Teaches A Muslim To Believe The Bible?

 

 

The Qur’an teaches that Torah & Gospel (the Holy Bible) is to be respected as it gives “guidance and light” (Surah 5:42-46). Further, the Qur’an teaches to “let the people of the Gospel judge by that which God hath revealed therein (within the Gospel).  Whoso judgeth not by that which God hath revealed (within the Gospel is the context here); such are evil-livers (Surah 5:47).


If the Torah and the Gospel had been corrupted before Jibrael gave the message, then why would we be told to honor what was in the Torah and the Gospel??? Further, the recent discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls (dated between 100-200 B.C.) has put to rest all claims of corruption, because the ancient manuscripts demonstrated that the Bible's Old Testament message had not been changed over the years.  There is equal archaeological and manuscript discoveries verifying the unchanged message of all the doctrines of the New Testament as well (this is dealt with in much detail in the Q&A on this website page.

Therefore, the Bible's authority, as God's word to humanity has not changed, despite what you may have be told to the contrary.   Muslims are simply told to not accept any interpretation that is outside of the context of what is written, not that the written text was corrupted, which is a common misunderstanding.

Jesus Christ said, blessed are the poor in spirit for they will inherit the kingdom of God.  The person that is poor in spirit is the one who understands that they have no right to be counted worthy of anything before their HOLY Creator.  The poor in spirit do not trust or put any value in their own "goodness", or religious deeds, to be counted worthy before God.  Instead, they trust in what God has provided for them, so that they can be made righteous, which is the blood sacrifice of His innocent, perfect Son, Jesus, on their behalf, so that they can be forgiven of their sins and made clean to enter into God's holy presence without condemnation.  The poor in spirit come to God on His terms, not any contradictory angelic message or human religious traditions.

 

Please understand, the Wrath of God is about to be poured out very soon on all the sons (and daughters) of disobedience!  How can anyone truly be SUBMITTED TO GOD when they refuse to OBEY HIM; in this case by testing the spirits as God commanded us to do?

 

Surah 5:42 declares "the Taurât (Torah), in which is the (plain) Decision of Allâh" And the Law of God states, EVERYTHING MUST ESTABLISHED BY TWO OR THREE WITNESSES (Deuteronomy 17:6) and by the prophets of God, no spirit that brings a contradictory message is to be believed (Galatians 1:8, Jude 3 and Revelation 22:18-19).  

 

God gave NO EXCEPTIONS for this command of testing the spirits. For God told us directly, through the prophet John, to test the spirits, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1). 

 

Several of the other prophets told us HOW we are to test the spirits, which is on the basis of the fact that God does not lie.  So, if He said it was one specific way, then His word cannot be changed by men or spirits (angels or jinn), just as we were previously warned, "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed (utterly condemned by God)!" (Galatians 1:8).  

 

The solitary words of the spirit, "Jibrael", completely fail these two tests God gave us to apply for our spiritual protection. Thus, the wise will not heed the serious contradictions this spirit called "Jibrael" has convinced many to believe, which directly lie against the real word of God in the Torah and the Gospel (i.e. Jesus is God and TRUE righteous SUBMISSION TO GOD can only come through the sacrifice that Jesus made for the forgiveness of our sins).

 

Thus, when we test the spirits by the God's Law and His prophets, we can determine which message is truly from God and which is not from God.  This is no small distinction, FOR TO HONOR GOD WE MUST DO IT ON HIS TERMS, according to His true word.  If we listen to a deceiving spirit's words, even if we are told it is from God by others, then God will judge us for ignoring His warning to test the spirits and choosing to believe a lie. Anyone who obstinately accepts the lie will perish without mercy for their direct disobedience.  So, this issue must be taken very seriously by those who wish to gain entrance into Heaven!

 

God will soon pour out His Wrath in judgment, because of mankind’s rebellious (unsubmissive) position, rank disobedience and unrepentant heart.  Only those who will TRULY SUBMIT TO GOD will not have to face God’s Wrath!  


  

A Muslim Does Not Have To Accept The Bible Because It Has Been Corrupted.

 

The simple answer to this accusation is, no, the Bible honestly has not been corrupted.  Thousands of lies have been concocted to bolster this lie in people’s minds, but they have all been soundly refuted by solid evidence. Many examples of this debate are listed further down on this website page. Beyond the many sound scholarly arguments that have been made through the years to support the Bible, there is the unique proof that the Bible offers within its own pages.  For it is the ONLY book ever written with numerous prophecies that have been fulfilled with 100% accuracy in history (and are being fulfilled currently just as perfectly).  We are talking about precise fulfillment of major events that have taken and are taking place that cannot be dismissed or denied by any honest historian or observer.  Anyone who will examine the prophetic material the Bible has to offer, much which is listed on this website, will be left with the understanding that the Bible has to be inspired and preserved by God, because there is no other way such a vivid exposure of past, present and future events could take place otherwise.  The prophetic evidence shuts the mouth of every person with any integrity, leaving them awe struck.  After examining the hard evidence, not mere opinions, there is only one honest conclusion that can be reached - which is that the Bible is God’s preserved word and thus carries the full weight of divine authority over every item or person that disputes it.  Unfortunately, most men are not sincere seekers of God.  They will honor God with their lips, but their hearts are far from Him.  For even Jesus said that the way to heaven is narrow and few are those who will find it (Matthew 7:13-14).  This would include many who call themselves a Christian.

 

Those who cannot accept this, refuse to allow the evidence to speak (i.e. the fairly recent discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the volumes of fulfilled prophecies) and believe the clear truth that is within the Bible’s written context concerning God's plan of salvation.  In fact, the majority of objections manufactured are by those taking Bible verses out of context, to invent excuses to feel justified in dismissing the Bible’s authority over their lives, so that they may believe and do what they wish, at least for now, anyway.

 

However, truth seekers examine arguments carefully and look to discern the difference between opinion and the hard, factual evidence.  Those who hate the truth of God’s word (the Bible) and instead love the false opinions of mere mortal men and the lies that tickle their ears will always hunt for another excuse or objection to raise.  Thinking that if they can find just one that works, then they will be justified and not have to face their Holy Creator on the terms He has laid out in the Bible. They desperately want to prove God’s Word wrong, so that they can somehow alter their final judgment and escape God’s justice, as if that could ever really work.

 

"But they refused to pay attention and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears from hearing.  They made their hearts like flint so that they could not hear the law and the words which the LORD of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets; therefore great wrath came from the LORD of hosts". – The prophet Zechariah 7:11-12

 

“Everyone shall taste death. And only on the Day of Resurrection shall you be paid your wages in full. And whoever is removed away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, he indeed is successful. The life of this world is only the enjoyment of deception (a deceiving thing).” (Aali Imran 3:185)

 

Since this reality is inescapable, a chief tactic is to change the truth found in the Bible, by attempting to place authority on an invented revision.  This is done as a basic coping mechanism, in order to block out the certain and terrifying authenticity of the coming biblical judgment from their mind and emotions. Yet, just like an intoxicating drug that can bring a temporary euphoric feeling and then cause much pain and destruction, all these lies will end quickly with the soon coming wrath of God and return Jesus Christ and then the elation of the deception will wear off, leaving an eternal sorrow for those who hated the truth.

 

Have you heard about what Isa (Jesus Christ) said, about this very thing that Aali Imran spoke of – when we will all come to the same place of judgment one day in the future?

 

 11"Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.   

 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.  

 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.  

 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.

 15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”   [The final judgment at the Throne of God – From the Revelation of Isa (Jesus Christ) 20:11-15 (Holy Scripture)].

 

Did you notice that everyone trusting in their deeds, which are listed books of the deeds (all our deeds - good and bad combined), ended up in hell? This would include those who call themselves a Christian as well.  If you want to know how your name can be written in the book of life, so that you can avoid hell and go to heaven, then go to the bottom of this page on this website. 

 

Where Is The Proof That The Bible Has Not Been Corrupted?

 

Proof dispelling the popular corruption theory comes within the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls (1947 – 1956) in eleven caves along the northwest shore of the Dead Sea. The Dead Sea Scrolls have been accurately dated back to 250 – 400 B.C., and when they were compared to modern copies we have of the Holy Scripture that dated back to 800 A.D. (over a thousand years apart), they demonstrated that the current copies of the Holy Scripture had not been changed in their meaning at all, utterly destroying the corruption myth!  Thus, when any person or book contradicts the Bible on its prophecies and history, they are clearly in error, because the ancient Holy Scripture’s accuracy has been absolutely verified, pre-dating them all.  (Also, see The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict, by Josh McDowell, or go to Josh.org for a mountain of further evidence concerning the accuracy of the Bible - historically, scientifically and prophetically.)  Those who then try to extend the corruption myth to before Muhammad's time, find themselves falling on the sword of the Qur'an itself, because it verifies that the Bible was valid at the time of its construction (Surah 5:43-47).

Additionally, we have historical documentation of the many writings of the early church era.  Letters found from some of the early church leaders alone contain quotations of all but eleven verses of the New Testament.  This demonstrates that the verses were not changed or full of errors as liberal (unbelieving) "Christian" and secular scholars wish to mislead people to believe.  No doctrinal changes are found and a solid preservation of the text has been maintained over the years.  People seek to discredit the New Testament merely on the basis that if it is true, then it ends all support for what they want to believe in, which is to the contrary.  For the authoritative meaning of the New Testament greatly bothers the proud and rebellious of heart who wish to avoid accountability to the true Creator, the God of the Bible, based on His terms, instead of theirs. 

 

Finally, allow me to very briefly offer one more reason to bring greater understanding to why the things I have been sharing with you is really true and not a lie.  Do you respect Moses?  I would think you do.

The Law of God cannot be broken and no true prophet has ever spoken against the Law of God given through Moses (and to my knowledge Muhammad did not speak against God's Law, but rather, he openly confirmed God's Law).


It was the prophet and Law giver, Moses, who proclaimed,
on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed” – Deuteronomy 17:6 One witness is not sufficient to establish or judge a matter or person by - Deuteronomy 19:15.  The Bible testifies to the accuracy of the prophets and the patriarchs with over 40 separate witnesses who all spoke and wrote to the same message about Isa (Jesus Christ), the Messiah, who would come to save mankind by suffering and dying for our sins!  Further, their consistent corporate testimony was confirmed with God’s divine stamp of approval by signs, miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit, which irrevocably establishes that their witness was from God. 

The Qur’an has but one witness, a spirit identifying itself as “Jibrael” (“Gabriel”). How is the contradictory witness of one spirit being put above the witness of over 40 verified God fearing testimonies of the great ancient prophets and patriarchs that all agreed and have God’s divine stamp of approval, even though this single testimony for one spirit breaks the Law of God given through Moses??? 

Was the spirit calling itself Jibrael possibly a jinn???  Since he did not show us or leave any credentials, as to his true identity, we are required to test the spirits.  For it is written: “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” – 1 John 4:1.

Even the prophets in the books of Holy Scripture gave us a strong warning and guideline for protection, so that we would not to be deceived by the jinn, “But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be (divinely) accursed” (Galatians 1:8) and “contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3).  These things were written long ago to protect those truly seeking God from the current and future false prophecies and teachings that God knew the devil would introduce to deceive mankind, long before a spirit calling itself “Jibrael” introduced a contrary message to humanity.

Also, we must be careful to remember some of Isa’s (Jesus Christ’s) final word’s to us:
“all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone” (Revelation 21:8) and “I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book” (Revelation 22:18-19) In other words, Jesus said that anyone who wishes to say that His prophetic words have no value or meaning, well, simply put, they will be going to hell.

Apart from the volumes of verifiable historical facts, I can tell you from my own witness that the prophets spoke truthfully about Jesus Christ being the Savior of mankind.  I once thought the scales of justice awaited me in heaven (instead of the books of my deeds that would judge and condemn me). I was very uncertain which way the scales would tip, even though I was not a “bad” person, and the thought of watching them tip even slightly toward a decision that would send me to an eternal hell was very frightening thing to me.  I knew I needed to have my sins forgiven, but I was not sure if they would be. When I was 21 years old, I cried out to Jesus to forgive me and come into my life.  In that moment Jesus showed up, I did not see Him with my eyes, but His presence in the Spirit was overwhelming.  I immediately felt the shame of all my sin, it was great and unbearable, but instantly Jesus spoke to me and said, I love you and I forgive you. I cannot express how overtaken I was with a complete feeling and full understanding that I had just been forgiven by the God of the universe.  I wept tears of immense joy, as I not only felt the relief of my sin burden lifted off of me, but I knew His love was what I had always been searching for and I had now found.  My life was changed from that moment on, as I now knew that I had purpose and meaning for living, I was forgiven and free to be what God wanted me to be and I have never been the same since.  Jesus longs to show you His love and forgiveness too, if you will but acknowledge that He is your only hope and Savior, He will hear your cry.
 
Answering The "Why God?" Questions.

Among the most asked questions in the history of humanity are the inquiries about why God allows things like suffering, injustice, abusive and hurtful criminal activity and sin in general to be so rampant on the Earth, the jewel of His Creation?

 

The answer is rather simple, but it is not that easy for the hardened human heart to heed and desire to honestly understand, because of what it actually points out.

First, God did not create human beings as robots, He gave us free will choice concerning our life here on Earth, as well as for our future destiny once we leave our physical, earthly bodies behind.  God created us to be able to have a deep, loving relationship with Him, on a very personal level; something you just cannot have without free will choice. Unfortunately, free will choice has a down side too, because rebellion, cruelty, hatred, dismissal, complete selfishness or apathy toward our Creator or our fellowman are just a few of the other options that choice makes available to the human race and we have the tendency to exercise these types of options in abundance.

The other great truth involved with the why questions is a major stumbling block for those who have exercised their “right” to choose to rebel (consciously and subconsciously).  It deals with the fact that God is the Creator and He has made all things (including humans) to be for His glory (not ours).  This means that everything is ultimately going to glorify the HOLY, ALMIGHTY CREATOR, and not one of us will stand in our own glory before Him, concerning the things we have done. 

Simply put, it is about HIM, not us.  We exist for His glory, or His purposes and plans to glorify Himself (Colossians 1:15-17). Most cannot accept this truth, and it would be a hard thing to endure if God was not HOLY, or perfect, righteous (always right) and full of the highest wisdom in all His ways, but He is (Isaiah 6:1-4 & Isaiah 55:8-9).

This is where we humans get into trouble, because we have a strong tendency to dislike God’s righteous ways (often inventing our own substitutes) and we rebel against our Creator. Sometimes it is open rebellion, but most often it is through a subtle form of rebellion, usually one which can be rationalized and justified within the realm of human reasoning, so that it is made out to be “okay” or "acceptable" for ourselves and our human peers.  A good example of this is turning the Ten Commandments into “the ten suggestions” or removing them entirely from our thinking (like in the public square) and doing just as we please, disregarding God’s clear instructions for right and wrong.

Our rebellion, and all the fruit from it, answers WHY so many things are wrong in this world. But, that is not the answer a rebel wants to hear, because it leaves them in a bad place (Revelation20:11-15) and they don’t want to give up their sinful rebellious ways, so they will continue questioning. 

 

But WHY DOES GOD ALLOW GOOD PEOPLE TO SUFFER AND DIE WITH THINGS LIKE CANCER?

First, God alone is “good”.  We humans wish to put our spin on what or who is “good”, then turn around and question God from our redefined position.  Second, sin has infected everything and everyone on the planet and this is part of its destructive power.  This is one big reason why God hates sin, because of the pain, suffering and death it brings to His creation.  Third, we are all infected with sin and there is only one cure, the blood of Jesus Christ.

But WHY DID GOD NOT stop the tragedy, or disaster, instead of allowing it to happen? 

For starters, this would be hyper-management and actually nullify free will.  Second, who would learn anything about sin or love under such a system?  We would just be mystified about all the intervention and never really understand the evil or consequences of the sin we kept wanting to commit.  It would really be a bizarre way to live.  God’s wisdom runs much deeper than humans care to think and that’s why we get into trouble every time we seek to judge God from our extremely limited perspective.  


But WHY DID GOD NOT DESTROY THE CHIEF REBEL (SATAN) RIGHT AWAY AND PUT AN END TO IT, BEFORE IT HAD A CHANCE TO GET SO BAD? 

God could have easily disintegrated Satan the moment he rebelled and put an end to it, but that would have only proved who was more powerful, not necessarily who was right.  Further, both angels and humans would have only served God out of the sheer terror, of crossing Him from then on, worshiping only His power, never really knowing His love, mercy kindness and forgiveness, which is no way to have a good relationship with anyone.

Yet, because God is love (1 John 4:7-8 & 4:16), He provided a way out for sinful rebellious humanity, by choosing to send His Son, Jesus Christ, to pay for our sins by His death and sacrifice of His own Holy and innocent life on the cross, because sin requires the blood of the guilty, or the blood of a perfect innocent in their place.  No human is perfect, but Jesus being God, the second part of the Trinity (Genesis 1:26, Isaiah 9:6, Luke 3:22, Matthew 28:18-21, etc.), is perfect and was willing to obey the Father’s desire, to come and give Himself for us, to give us a way back to a right relationship with God (John 3:16, John 5:30, John 11:25, John 14:6 and John 20:19-29).

Unfortunately, most of humanity will not accept and receive God’s gracious free gift(Matthew 7:13-14) of payment and forgiveness of their sins through Jesus Christ, which comes with a sealed guarantee of eternal life with God (Ephesians 1:13-14).

No, most would rather continue in their rebellion and sin. Thus, they will become vessels for God’s wrath in the Day of Judgment (Romans 1:18-32 & 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12).  God, the Son, Jesus Christ, is coming back very soon to put an end to the open rebellion of human independence from Him, via their free will choice, which has led to all of the destructive consequences of sin that we see filling up the Earth today.  For it is written, in the great tribulation God will pour out His wrath and punishment on the rebellious, to destroy those who are destroying the Earth (Revelation 11:18 & Chapters 15 & 16).  It is rather ironic that these people are many of the very ones claiming they are actually “saving” the Earth through things like the fraudulent carbon footprint tax scam (which is nothing more than socialistic theft, to redistribute wealth, help further destroy the middle class and enrich the elite ruling class with money and power).  Yet, their reign will be very short and they will not escape Jesus Christ's righteous judgment when He returns (Daniel 12:1-10 & Revelation 19:11-21).

 If you are curious to learn about God's saving grace, mercy and forgiveness for you, then click on this link, opening it in a new tab or page:  http://www.truthandlife.us/Home_Page.php#bottom_of_page.
 

IS JESUS REALLY GODWHAT PROOF IS THERE FOR THIS CLAIM?

 

Jesus did acts of God that no other person in all of human history ever came close to doing.   Jesus healed the lame and crippled, so that their shriveled limbs reformed into whole healthy legs and hands.  He cleansed the lepers, completely removing their flesh eating disease entirely, sometimes with just a word at a distance and sometimes with a touch.  He raised three separate individuals from the dead.  He opened the eyes of the blind on many different occasions (one of several feats that even the Jews knew only God could do). Jesus displayed supernatural power over the natural elements as well, by multiplying a tiny bit of food to feed thousands of people on two different occasions.  He walked on water and instantly calmed a fierce storm with three simple words, "Hush, be still".  Also, Jesus demonstrated power over the spiritual forces of darkness and evil, by rebuking them and casting demons out of people on many different occasions.  Jesus went to the cross and gave up His life for us, then physically rose from the grave three days later in a new supernatural body.  Forty days after this He physically ascended into heaven before many eye witnesses.  No other religious leader has come close to doing or claiming the things Jesus did, which are truly beyond compare.   

 

Only God has the authority to forgive, or fully pardon a person's sins!  Jesus did this and then proved He had the right (or authority and power) to do it, by instantly healing a paralytic directly in front of the many religious leaders that were about to accuse Him of blasphemy (Mark 2:1-12 and Luke 5:17).  Jesus openly declared that He was God and this is THE VERY REASON the religious Jewish leaders finally accused Him of "blasphemy" and sought to put Him to death constantly throughout His ministry, even though He lived a perfect sinless life and did the miracles of God before their very eyes.

 

Jesus made it absolutely clear to the Jews that He was claiming to be God. This is why the religious leaders violently opposed Him and had Him crucified for "blasphemy" (claiming to be God) - see John 8:56-59, John 10:30-33, John 14:6-9 and Matthew 26:62-66 Also see, John 3:16, 18).

 Click on these scripture references and read them for yourself!
 

 

WAS JESUS CHRIST JUST A MAN?


1st – To declare that Jesus Christ was only a man would be the very equivalent of calling Him a liar or a lunatic, because Jesus made it clear that He is God 
(John 8:56-59 and John 10:30-33).  People today seem to stumble all over this fact, but the Jews in Jesus day had no problem understanding His claim to be God and that's why they wanted to kill Him for blaspheme.  The first hand eyewitnesses obviously knew a whole lot more than all the armchair historical revisionists of today. Sadly, most people just believe what they want to currently, because it's easier than facing the real facts (CINO's included - Christians In Name Only, which is well over 90% of the total Christian population, which is why quoting liberal (unbelieving) “Christian” scholars to disprove Christianity is utterly pointless, because it is like asking a fox if any chickens are missing from the hen house he is watching over). 

2nd - Stating that Jesus could not have been "the Messiah" (the Savior of mankind and God, the Son) and that He was just an ordinary man does not work because of where it leaves all of us with God.  God has told us that sin requires a payment of a death, via shed blood.  But in order for us to be forgiven for our sin, that death must come from a sinless source.  And for us to be completely forgiven for all our sins for eternity, the source has to be in a human form.  However, no human is sinless.  Thus, we had an impossible dilemma, our sin drenched soul with no way to pay for it, other than going to Hell.

This is why God, the Son, was sent by God, the Father, to indwell human flesh and become the necessary sacrificial payment.  Jesus Christ lived out a sinless life of perfection before us so that He could be the required substitutionary sacrifice for our sins, so that we would not have to go to Hell to pay for our sins.  Because God is holy and just, He must punish all our unrighteousness fairly and without the covering of Jesus blood to have cleansed our souls that means we will literally have Hell to pay. 

Jesus even challenged His strongest enemies to prove He had sinned (which would have been easy to do if He was just a man), but they could not!  Instead, all they could to do was slander Him and say He had a demon.  "But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me?  He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God. The Jews answered and said to Him, 'Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?'" - The Prophet John 8:45-48. 

3rd - It is written, those who deny that Jesus is the Son of God, speak with the spirit of anitchrist. The Prophet John wrote back in the 1st century, 
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming" - 1 John 4:1-3. 

This was written almost 500 years before Muhammad received his message from Jibrael, as was the rest of the New Testament, which strongly refutes Jibrael’s words. If you wish to believe the lie that the New Testament was corrupted, prove it!  When, where, how and by whom???  Show the evidence!  There is absolutely no legitimate proof for this claim, when you closely and carefully examine it!  None!!!  The so-called evidence presented by liberal scholars is easily refuted, but those who only want to believe the lie won’t even attempt to honestly look at the information.  More over, almost every one of these same liberal scholars completely rejects the Qur’an for even much stronger reasons.  So, cherry picking only the parts that support the Islamic opinion, while deliberately ignoring the rest, simply proves a position of insincerity and hypocrisy from the onset.   Thus, if you choose to believe the lie anyway, without really carefully examining it, then you have stated before both God and men that you would rather live in a lie, than believe the truth!  And that is the farthest thing from being submitted to God as there is!  For it is only fake lip service and self-patronizing and deception.

It is written, 
"And they sang a new song, saying, ' Worthy are You (Jesus) to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation'.... saying with a loud voice, ' Worthy is the Lamb (Jesus Christ) that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.'" - Revelation 5:9, 12 (Also confer with John1:29-36.) 

In Heaven it is declared that Jesus is THE ONLY ONE worthy to judge, because of His sinless sacrifice!

And this is why the following is true, as it is written: 
“For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” – Philippians 2:9-11 

The LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book - Exodus 32:33

The great white throne judgment of Jesus Christ:

“Then I saw a great white throne and Him (speaking of Jesus, see John 5:22; 27) who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.   And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.   And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.   And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.” - Revelation 20:11-15. 


Is your name in the book of life, or are you trusting in your deeds? Notice where everyone’s deeds will put them!!!

   

WHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAY THAT JESUS IS GOD? 

Peter's Confession of Christ
13Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" 
 14And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets." (just like today, people don’t know who Jesus really is) 
 15He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 
 16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 
 17And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 16:13-17) 
 (Here, we see Jesus blessing Simon {Peter} for his confession of confirmation, not denying it!) 
  
Another proof is that Jesus received worship, something no good teacher or prophet would ever allow, because only God should be worshipped, just as Jesus stated when tempted by the devil, “Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me." Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'” – Matthew 4:8-10. 
  

“But seeing the wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, Lord, save me!’ Immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and took hold of him, and said to him, ‘You of little faith, why did you doubt?’ When they got into the boat, the wind stopped. And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, ‘You are certainly God's Son!” - Matthew 14:30-33 

  
“The angel said to the women, ‘Do not be afraid; for I know that you are looking for Jesus who has been crucified.  He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying. Go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him; behold, I have told you.’ And they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy and ran to report it to His disciples. And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.” - Matthew 28:5-9 
  
“Jesus said to him, ‘You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you.’ And he said, ‘Lord, I believe.’ And he worshiped Him.” - John 9:37-38 

But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.  So the other disciples were saying to him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.  After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.” Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.” - John20:24-29
  
Jesus affirmed those who worshiped Him, never once rebuking any of them, which He would have been required to do if He were only a prophet!  This should close the case on this argument, for any soul with just a fraction of honesty in them.

"God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in (and through) the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.  5 For to which of the angels did He ever say,  “YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”?  And again, “I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME”? 6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.” 7 And of the angels He says, “WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE.” 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. Hebrews 1:1-8 
  
Jesus is like the water form of H2O. If we want to be cleansed of our sin, to receive God’s mercy and forgiveness, we must immerse ourselves in Christ, by giving Him our very life and soul, to do with as He pleases.  We have been purchased with the greatest price of His blood and this makes us His possession.  So, either He owns us or He does not.  Only those owned by Him will have their name found in the book of life and go to Heaven (Revelation 20:15).  

 

 

IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT JESUS REALLY DIED ON THE CROSS?

Unfortunately, there are some very big holes in a person’s knowledge about what took place historically, if they actually believe this lie.  Also, this position puts a person at odds with God, because He does not appreciate it when people distort His Holy Word, the Bible, for He has promised to severely punish those who add to, or take away from, what He has said to us (i.e. Revelation 22:18-19).

The Holy Qur'an states in Surah 4:157 that Jesus was not crucified: "And their [Jews'] boasting: 'We killed Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah; but they [Jews] killed him not, nor crucified him...

 

This is the word, from a single spirit that clearly has violates God’s Law (a testimony that comes from only one witness cannot be accepted).   It contradicts many of the prophets of God and the historical record as well.  Nonetheless, Muslims still wish to believe that Jibrael’s words are to be taken authoritatively anyway, in spite of the fact that when the spiritual tests for authenticity that God put in place are applied, Jibrael fails miserably and his words proved to be a false testimony (Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32, Galatians 1:8, Jude 1:3 and 1 John 4:1).  Such obstinate belief is on the level of those who still believe the earth is flat and the tooth fairy is real, and this will not benefit any person on the Day of Judgment before God 

Could it not be possible, as the Qur'an claims that he didn't die on the cross?"  

 

No, because this is an absolute distortion and utterly perverted contradiction of the historical record, both inside the biblical record and outside of it in secular historical texts.  The historical record shows that thousands witnessed the process of Jesus being torture and killed, and over 500 witnessed his physical resurrection from the dead in His new super body and they all definitely believe He was God as a result, just like Thomas, who would not believe until he saw Jesus for himself (John 20:19-30). Additionally, if Jesus was not God, then why did He allow people like Thomas, here in this biblical example, to worship Him as God (one of several times that Jesus received worship from people, which would be blasphemous if He were not God)?

But, if Jesus is God then why did He say the following?

 
1.On the cross he beseeched God for help (Matthew 27:46): "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

 

(This answer runs deep because it involves the theology of the Holy Trinity, which is answered clearly for anyone to see on my website at http://www.truthandlife.us/Islamic_Queries-Dissent.html#How_Can_You_Believe_In_A_Trinity?)

 

Once you have seen the proof for the Trinity (3 in 1 nature) of God, it is not hard to understand that God, the Son, in that moment on the cross, when our sins where laid upon Jesus, the Messiah (Savior), and He was temporarily separated from God, the Father, because Jesus was carrying all of the filth of humanity’s iniquities upon Himself (as was prophesied 700 years in advance by Isaiah He would do – Isaiah 53:3-6) and the Father had to turned away from Him, while Jesus bore the full weight of all our wrongdoing (Habakkuk 3:13, Romans 5:8, Romans 6:23, John 3:16-18 & 36 and John 1:12), causing Jesus to cry out for He felt the presence of the Father depart away from Him; something He had never known before (John 10:30-33).

Further, those very words spoken by Jesus and many of the actions taken within this event were prophesied about 1000 years earlier in Psalm 22:1-18, before crucifixion was even invented as a capital punishment!  More over, this is a typical example of Islamic double speak!  Out of one side of the mouth it is said Jesus was not crucified and out of the other side of the mouth it is said that while Jesus was being crucified He said…!

 

And in Luke 22:42: "Saying, Father if Thou be willing, remove this cup from Me: nevertheless not My will, but Thine, be done." (This cup is the cup of death.) 

 

God, the Son, pure, sinless and completely innocent, was about to undergo the worst torture and pain anyone has ever suffered on this planet.  Read the crucifixion accounts in the Gospels and see what they did to Jesus before they even nailed Him up on the cross.  Many men would have died from His pre-cross bloodletting before they even made it to the crucifixion.  But Jesus was very strong (totally unlike the wimpy depictions of art from the Middle Ages), as carpenter’s usually were very buff back then, thus His body was able to survived the hellish suffering they put Him through before the cross.  Then, they nailed Him to the cross, one of the most excruciating ways to kill a person.

 

This is why Jesus prayed that if there was another way to free humanity from our sin, He wanted out of what He knew He was about to go through (and who in their right mind wouldn’t want out of it?).  But, Jesus, God the Son, was willing to do whatever the Father, God, asked of Him, thus He modeled perfect and godly sacrificial, selfless obedience to us.

 

Another overlooked a very obvious and important point here is that Jesus not only knew it was all about to happen to Him, He had been telling His disciples about it for sometime, well in advance (i.e. Mark 9:31).

So, why did Jesus let them take Him? Why did He not just run away or hide out?  Why was He praying the very prayer you mentioned, literally sweating out blood from the very agony of the mere thought of it all, when He knew they were just about to take Him, horribly torture and kill Him?  If Jesus was not willingly volunteering to obey God in suffering an awful death for us, then what was the point of Him going through even one of the many beatings He endured on the way to the cross?  It would have all been completely meaningless and rather stupid to stay there and let His enemies do that to Him, when He knew they were coming to get Him and they would show Him no mercy.  Jesus knew Judas was a traitor well in advance, as well, and Jesus was even the one who sent Judas out to fulfill the prophetic betrayal (Zechariah 11:12-13, John 13:20-30, Matthew 26:14-16, Matthew27:1-10 and Acts 1:18-19). 

2. If Jesus' prayer not to die on the cross was accepted by God, according to Luke, Hebrews and James. Then, how could he still die on the cross? (Luke 22:43): "And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him." It means that an angel assured him that God would not leave him helpless.

 

This is a classic and very shameful example of the Islamic distortion I was referring to earlier.  All anyone has to do is read the surrounding context of the verse you cited (Luke 22:39-48) and they will see the absolute perverted lie against history this is, as this is not even close to how the text tells us it happened.

 

(Hebrews 5:7): "Who in the days of his flesh, when he (Jesus) had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared." 

 

Perhaps in ignorance you quoted the old English King James translation on this one, likely because it seemed to support the view a disciple of Islam is taught.  The Greek word used here means “devoutness, piety or reverent submission” (or in old English - feared), not “feared”, as in Jesus was afraid.  Once again, in reading the context of Hebrews as well, one cannot come to the conclusion that was made, even remotely, as the book of Hebrews strongly supports just the opposite position (i.e. Hebrews 1:1-8 and Hebrews 10:26-31).

Jesus' prayers were here heard, which means answered in a positive way by God. (James 5:16): ". . . The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much:' Jesus himself said (Matthew 7:7-10): "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and is shall be opened unto you; For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth, and to him who knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?" If all Jesus' prayers were accepted by God, including not to die on the cross, how could he still die on the cross then? 

 

Text without context is no text at all.  The examples from the Scripture that you cited have nothing to do with the previous point, when the context is examined.  Further, the Bible makes it clear that the only prayers God will answer are those prayed according to His will; our human desires have absolutely no influence, if they do not fit in with God’s will.  That is why Jesus said, “Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.”

3. His legs were not broken by the Roman soldiers (John 19:32-33): "Then  the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him. But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they broke not his legs”.  Can you rely on these soldiers for pronouncing the death, or did they want to save Jesus as they found him innocent? 

 

Once again, crucified or not crucified, one cannot have it both ways?  This is a prime example of a distortion of history. The soldier’s lives were on the line to do their job right, to make sure that the person they had been given charge to carry out the death sentence upon was definitely killed, or it would mean their execution, as the Romans did not mess around.  (John recorded what happen in the very next verse John 19:34.)  So, one of the soldiers made sure of Jesus’ death by running a spear up through His heart, causing thick clotted blood and then water to spill out of the open wound.  Any knowledgeable medical doctor will tell you that this meant that Jesus had just recently died, before the spear pierced the side of His body, because of the way the fluids spilled out, already separated.  The evidence clearly shows us Jesus was definitely killed by crucifixion!

4. When the Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign of his true mission he answered (Matthew 12:40): "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Disregard now the time factor, which was also not three days and three nights but one day (Saturday, daytime only) and two nights (Friday night and Saturday night). Was Jonas alive in the belly of the whale?

Was Jonas still alive when he was vomited out of the belly of the whale? Yes. Then Jesus was still alive as he prophesied.

 

Jesus did fulfill this prediction exactly.  However, the Islamic bias, to try to make it fit the Jibrael distortion, generally blinds a Muslim to the careful examination of all the evidence.  Additionally, this perception comes from listening to ignorant Christians as well (which is an unfortunate and massively reality within the church and not the fault of any Muslim).  When you look deep enough into the Jewish law, tradition and the actual history, you will find that there were two Sabbaths taking place during the week of Jesus’ crucifixion.  The normal weekly Sabbath (6 pm Friday through 5:59:59 pm Saturday) was one and the High Sabbath for the Passover week (6 pm Thursday through 5:59:59 pm Friday) was the second.  The day before the High Sabbath was for the preparation and slaughter of the sacrificial Passover lamb, for the annual covering of the sins of the people.  At the very moment the priests were preparing and slaughtering the lambs for the sins of the people, Jesus was being prepared and slaughtered for the sins of all humanity.  This is why the Bible refers to Jesus as the Lamb of God who was sacrificed for the sins of the world (John 1:29).  The annual animal sacrifice of the spotless lamb set up by God through Moses was a foreshadowing of the eternal sacrifice that was to be fulfilled by the Messiah (as was prophesied in Isaiah 52:13 through Isaiah 53:12).

 

Jesus was actually killed on Thursday afternoon and put in the tomb before the High Sabbath started at 6 pm. Jesus’ dead physical body spent Thursday (night), Friday (day), Friday (night), Saturday (day), Saturday (night), and the early part of Sunday (day) in the tomb before it was resurrected into His new super body.  Any part of a day counted as “a day” for the Jews.  Therefore, Jesus did fulfill the three days and three nights part of this prophecy, becoming the resurrected Messiah on the third day (Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, John 20, Acts 1 and Revelation 1:17-18).

 

Sadly, this piece of historical data about the High Sabbath is not very well known by the Roman Church and many of the modern Protestant Western Churches. As a result of this ignorance, many inaccurate statements and claims have been made about the historical timing and length of Jesus death and resurrection.

 

The question about Jonas being alive in the belly of the whale is answered in the verse “so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”.  Jesus being God, who is spirit, was still very much alive in the spirit and He went to the place of Sheol, where dead men’s soul all went before His resurrection (see Luke 16:19-31) and He proclaimed to them the Gospel (1 Peter 3:18-19).  Those looking forward to the coming of the saving Messiah had already been separated out on the righteous side of the abyss with Abraham and their souls were sent up to paradise at the time of the Resurrection, with a few of the more notable saints of old stopping off to walk the streets of Jerusalem that Sunday, as another powerful supernatural sign concerning Jesus to the Jews and the whole world in regard to Christ’s true identity (Matthew 27:53).  

5. Jesus himself stated that he didn't die on the cross. Early Sunday morning Mary Magdalene went to the sepulcher, which was empty. She saw somebody standing who looked like a gardener. She recognized him after conversation to be Jesus and wanted to touch him. Jesus said (John 20:17): "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father. . :" "Touch me not," perhaps because the fresh wound would hurt him. "I am not yet ascended to my Father," means that he was still alive, not dead yet, because if somebody dies, then he goes back to the Creator. This was the strongest proof admitted by Jesus himself. 

 

No, this is an interpretation from a false assumption here; that Jesus “never died” and was “still” alive.  Jesus had just been resurrected at this point and was standing before Mary in His new super body, which in Jesus Christ’s case retained the marks of His redemptive act in the crucifixion for verification of the work He had completed.  (The “super body” is a supernatural body that can optionally interact with the physical world, like the physical bodies we have, yet is not restricted or restrain by the natural physical laws).  God utilized this same type of body when they visited Abraham and ate with Him.  Also, two of God’s angels that accompanied Him on the trip utilized this same kind of body as well (Genesis chapter 18 & 19). This passage reveals some kind of a divine protocol, in which God, the Son, needed to present Himself to God, the Father, after the resurrection.  No other information is given about this that I am aware of and we are not told about the “why” of it all.  Thus, I will reframe from speculating here.

6. After the alleged crucifixion the disciples thought that he was not the same Jesus in body but spiritualized (only at the very first encounter, which surprised them, because they saw Jesus killed on the cross, but this was not the case when Jesus revisited them after the first appearance later on), because resurrected bodies are spiritualized (no, some like Lazarus, which Jesus raised from the dead were physical and died again later on – John 11:25-53).

 

Now that I have pointed out some of the differences in a supernatural body and a physical body, hopefully what Jesus said and did is beginning to make more sense.  The Apostle Paul explains more of the difference between the two types of bodies in 1 Corinthians 15.

QUESTION: How could be sure that resurrected bodies are spiritualized? Is that what Jesus himself said in the Bible: that they are equal to angels? 

In Luke 20:34-36: "And answering said unto them, the children of the world marry, and are given in marriage. But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and then resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection." 

 

This is just a tiny explanation on how the supernatural bodies will be different and immortal.  This passage also refutes the lie that if a person is martyred in Jihad for Islam you will enjoy sex with many virgins in Heaven!

Then Jesus convinced them by letting them touch his hands and feet, that he was the same person. As they could not believe him yet, he asked for meat to show them that he still ate like any living individual.

 

Read Luke 24:36-4 1: "And as they (the disciples ) thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them."

 

Again, this was only at the initial appearance, which would have frightened any normal person.  Afterward, the disciples had no problem with Jesus in His new super body, even though He would teleport Himself in and out of their presence, appearing out of thin air and then disappearing again, which He did several times.  By eating the fish, Jesus was showing them that He was not just some apparition, but a real person, in a real super body that can be used to eat with or be handled.

 

Something else to consider too, is that Jesus would have later lied and been misleading toward His disciples if He had not actually died.  Why would Jesus confirm that He had indeed died and was resurrected, if He had actually never done so? 

 

The history on this is unquestionable, for even Jesus enemies admitted that He had died, when they tried to concoct a cover story for His missing (resurrected) body with the Roman guards who reported witnessing the supernatural event of the angel rolling away the stone (Matthew 28:1-6). None of the arguments work for the idea that Jesus never died.


7. If you still believe that he died on the cross, then he was a false Prophet and accursed of God according to these passages: (Deuteronomy 13:5): "And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death . . ."; (Deuteronomy 21:22-23): "And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shall in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God; ) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance." 

 

This conclusion is once again based upon a false premise.  The first passage (Deuteronomy 13:5) also gives the qualifier for a false prophet; a person had to give rebellious counsel against the Lord, which Jesus never did.

To believe in his death on the cross is to discredit him as a prophet. The Jews maintained to have killed Jesus on the cross and consequently portrayed him to be false in his claim to be a prophet. 

 

Jesus proved the Jews wrong and He continues to prove Islam wrong as well, by what He said and did 2000 years ago.  The apostle Paul explained just what was meant by “cursed”.  Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “ CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”—Galatians 3:18.  The Bible repeatedly points out that Jesus was far beyond being just a prophet, Jesus claimed to be the Christ, the Son of the living God, not just a mere prophet (Matthew 16:13-17).

Christians believe the crucifixion necessary for their redemption of sin and consequently have to accept the accursedness of Jesus, too.

 

You confuse the difference in Jesus being cursed for our sin (taking our sin upon Himself, on the cross, to pay the penalty for us) and the idea of Him being accursed is a concept that no true follower of Jesus Christ believes in the least (see 1 Corinthians 12:3).

 

This Christian belief opposes the Bible's teaching in Hosea 6:6: "For I desired mercy and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt-offerings." (To accept this verse out of context, as you have done, means you would have to condemn Moses too, because it was through Moses the sacrificial Law of God was established.)

 

It also opposes Jesus' own teaching (Matthew 9:13): "But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice . . :" Again Jesus said (Matthew 1-2:7): "But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless:"

 

Please learn to read the surrounding context!  Here, Jesus is teaching the religious Jews that their own good works, of attempting to keep the Law of God and thus prove their own righteousness through their sacrifice was futile.  As long as they insisted on their good standing with God by their own deeds they could not be helped.  They had to come to the understanding that they were “sick” (sinners, like everyone else, and in a hopeless state, desperately needing help).  Jesus said He came for those who could recognize their (soul) sick state, not for those who arrogantly thought they were righteous by their own good deeds in attempting to keep the Law of God (Galatians 2:20-21; 3:10, James 2:10 and Revelation 20:11-15).

 

I have been talking about the real and historical Jesus Christ, not the invented "Jesus" of other religions that try to greatly lessen who He is.  This real Jesus is the One who came to me when I cried out to Him to forgive me, I have meet the authentic Jesus, the Son of God that Peter openly declared as being the Christ, the Son of the living God, which Jesus Himself affirmed was true (Matthew 16:13-17), and He has forgiven me and set me free from my sin and made me righteous through His blood sacrifice for me, so that I will now go to Heaven and live with the Father forever (1 John 5:13).

 

May the almighty God of all glory and power soften your heart and open your eyes to who He really is and how much He loves you.  TJ


Kamail's Story: Islam Versus Christianity



 

Jesus Was Not The Son Of David, Therefore He Could Not Be The Messiah.

 

Jesus' mother Mary was a Levite, because she was a cousin of Elizabeth, whose husband Zacharias was a priest of the Levitical order.  So, since Mary was a virgin, and Jesus only carried her bloodline, and David was from the tribe of Judah, this proves Jesus was not the Messiah. 


Unfortunately, this type of distorted "reasoning" is found all too commonly within Islam.  First, this is clearly an argument borrowed from an atheist, because even the Qur'an says that Jesus was the Messiah, so only when a Muslim who has come to the desperate realization that the Bible can overwhelmingly be shown to be God's authoritative word, do they resort to this type of argumentation.  


The very first lie that humans heard the devil utter, in the Garden of Eden to Adam and Eve to deceive and tempt them into sin against God, is the same lie he continues to seduce mankind with ever since, and it is this, "Hath God said?".  Satan always will try to attempt to get us to doubt God's authoritative word to us, then he introduces his alternative message (a lie).  This is why the Bible remains under constant attack, usually with the same old, worn out, disproved lies, which have just been repackaged for each new gullible generation.


Once a person ventures outside of their controlled cultural and religious comfort zone within Islam, they quickly find insurmountable problems for believing the things they have been told all their lives to believe, "or else".  Then, they do one of three things, cower in the fear of daring to question, for what may likely come as consequence, and then they just shut down, closing off all possible thoughts and evidence that shine a light on the problems, or they do as the person who made up this objection did and find any desperate excuse or twisted argument to hide behind, or they show some real courage and begin to honestly explore and weigh the evidence.  


Sadly, the third example is very hard to find within Islam and many have suffered death for showing this kind of real courage, because Islam is a religion that usually reacts violently to any bold exposure to the obvious flaws that would bring it out into the light for all to see.  It is my contention that this is the only real reason for why it has survived and thrived beyond 650 A.D. to the present time, through fear, from direct acts of violence, for it cannot stand up to any serious intellectual test.  If you don't believe it, then prove me wrong, instead of seeking to have me killed, like so many others who were truly submitted to God, on His terms.


The historical, genealogical record states that both Joseph and Mary were descendants of David (Luke 1:27).  Mary, through David's son Nathan to Mary's father Eli, Joseph's father-in-law (Luke 3:23-38).  Joseph, through David's son Solomon to His father Jacob, not to be confused with Abraham's grandson (Matthew 1:1-17). 


Also, the archangel Gabriel not only announced that the miracle of the holy conception for Mary's virgin birth was about to happen to her, he named the baby (Jesus), called Him the Son of God and said Jesus was of his father David (Luke 1:31-32).  So, now we have two witnesses, the historical record and the angel Gabriel.  But all that would not carry much real weight without some further tangible evidence.


The greatest proof that fully overrides all "hath God said" attempts to dismiss Jesus as the legitimate Son of God are found in the life, death and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ (John 20:26-31).  Tens of thousands of people witnessed Jesus do phenomenal miracles from God that is unequaled in the history of mankind! Jesus raised the dead three separate times, walked on water, dissipated a violent storm with three simple words, "Hush, be still", fed tens of thousands by multiplying just enough bread and fish for a single meal, He made the blind to see and the lame walk, and healed diseases like leprosy and cast out demons with a just word.  This is not a complete list, but it demonstrates the power of God in Him like no other, which nullifies all the "hath God said" technicalities (lies) that have been concocted since, at least for any rational and honest individual anyway.


The religious leadership among the Jews knew that the Messiah (the Christ) would be God's Son and thus, God himself, but they rejected Him, accusing Jesus of blasphemy, as was shown by the High Priest at Jesus' illegal trial (Matthew 26:62-66).


Again, many "hath God Said" lies have been invented to try and convince people Jesus was not God, even though He did say He was God many times in many ways, just like at His trial.  But the devil does not want you to know Jesus is your Savior, who really did die for us, to give us a way back into the holy presence of God, which was lost in the Garden of Eden.  So the devil tells you, Jesus is not God, God does not have a Son, Jesus did not really die on the cross, Jesus was not bodily resurrected from the dead, etc., etc., because Satan knows we will be mercilessly condemned without Jesus' righteous payment for our sin to make us clean to stand before our holy Father, God, on the day of judgment, for God's mercy on our soul will only come through Jesus (John 3:16-18, 36; Hebrews 1026-31; Revelation 20:11-15), and all the devil wants is to drag as many souls into Hell with him as he can, because he desperately hates every human being that has ever been conceived.  Do you really want to let the devil have his way with you?


 
Jesus Ascended, But So Did Mohammed.  So, What Is The Difference?


Jesus ascended up into heaven in His new resurrection body before many witnesses (Acts chapter 1).  Mohammed, on the other hand,  reportedly ascended spiritually, which would be impossible to verify if it had actually happened.  

Further, there have been many claims that Jesus spoke of Mohammed.  Yet, the only thing we have that is concrete is Jesus' own words in two places.  First, Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit coming after Him in John chapter 14, and this has been attributed to mean Mohammed.  Yet, Jesus tells us exactly who it is that will follow Him, the Holy Spirit (v. 26), not Mohammed.  Second, Jesus made it clear that
"no one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven" (John 3:13).   Jesus claimed to be God, the Son, who had descended from heaven and He backed it up with many other 
claims of deity and miracles, the last one being His ascension up into heaven in His resurrected body, before a whole host of eyewitnesses (read the book of John, for in it the evidence is overwhelming).

So, here is the real question:  Did Mohammed descend from heaven?  No such claim was ever presented within Islam, as he was born of a normal woman, in a normal way.  Thus, according to Jesus, Mohammed never really ascended either and the claim that has been made could not be true.
 


 

God Is All Merciful And God Is All Just: 

I Follow A Religion That Rewards For Following God’s Commands And Punishes For Disobeying God’s Commands.  God Is All Merciful, Yes, But God Is Also All Just, Which Is An Attribute That Seems To Have Disappeared From Certain Religions.

Here, you have summed up how most people view God and shape Him into their image, disjointed from what God has truly revealed about Himself.  There is great contradiction within this idolatrous concept. For you want God to be both “just” and “merciful” all together (only with complete justice to those you don't like and absolute mercy to those you do like).  This may seem convenient, but it is utterly contrary to the revealed will of God.


For God to be truly just, He must punish all who have sinned.  Yet, surely you know you have committed multiple sins against the righteous and holy standard of God's Laws.  Thus, by your own religious position, you have condemned yourself to hell, for a good judge cannot overlook disobedience to the law and forgo punishment or corruption takes place.

But, then you protest with a vain hope, "but God is all merciful"!  Again, a contradiction.  For if God was all merciful, then sin would not matter, because all would be forgiven and no punishment would be handed out, thus, making a mockery out of justice.  For without some (invented) standard to try to divide the sins up into measurable categories with works that had equally measurable categories to counter the sins (which would only be another lie from the pit of hell) the contradiction of all mercy and all justice remains.  This is precisely why religious people have no certainty about the position of their soul before God.

God saw our hopeless predicament in facing His justice, and so He lovingly offered us His mercy through Himself, when He took on human flesh, coming to earth as Jesus Christ, the Son. He lived a perfect, holy life and offered up Himself to be put to death on a cross in our place as payment for all our sins, so that His justice could be satisfied.  It's now an all or nothing deal with God.  We must accept His payment in our place to get our name written in the book of life, or be condemned to hell by our deeds (sin contaminated good deeds and bad deeds alike), just as
Revelation 20:11-15 states it will be. God’s mercy will only be applied to those who have submitted to Him through the blood of Jesus Christ, by making Jesus their Lord and Savior.

God loved you enough to die in your place.  Either, you can open your heart to Him and accept His terms for your soul, or continue to spit in His face, by declaring your own self-righteousness by your deeds. The choice is yours my friend.  I pray that you will choose wisely. For it is written in
Hebrews 10:26-31:
 

26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.  28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.  29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?  30For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY " And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."  31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


 

God Does not "NEED" To Interact With His Creation, It Is Beneath Him.

                    (or GOD would not "NEED" to become a lowly human)  

This is one of the greatest fatal flaws in Islamic

attempts at logic!  It is not about what God "NEEDS",
it is about what God has done or chosen to do,
according to the actual history of the Law and the
Prophets, and/or the Torah and the Gospel! 


God did not “NEED” to create a physical universe, so
does that mean we really don’t really exist, because
now (if we follow Islamic "logic") it never happened?!?


God has chosen to interact with His creation many times.  God was with the first, man Adam, in the beginning of creation in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3).  God was with father Abraham and even ATE with him (Genesis 18).  God visited and spoke with Noah, Job, Moses, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Paul and John to name a few.  God chose to come and visit us in the form of a man; through the virgin birth, many miracles and solid verbal testimony, God came to earth in the His Son, Jesus Christ, to show us the truth and give us a way back to Himself.  God did not "NEED" to do this, but He CHOSE to do it out of love for us.

 

I Do Not Have To believe The Books Of The Previous Prophets, Because The Prophet Muhammad Over Rules Them All.


Thank you for responding Omar.  Actually, it is a huge mistake to dismiss or discount the previous books.  This thinking may very well be the very reason why there is no true respect for the prophets today, as people think they have somehow been overruled, discharged and/or changed by more recent revelation.  However, God is outside of the dimension of time and He sees everything before it happens (Isaiah 44:6-7). Also, God cannot lie (Numbers 23:19 & Titus 1:2) Thus, His prophets cannot be mistaken and their prophecies cannot be contradicted or overruled, only confirmed all the more.  In fact, in my previous communication, I pointed out where the prophets warned against this very concept (1 John 4:1 and Galatians 1:8), so that we would not be deceived by any claim that would seek to overthrow their prophecies.

It appears that you have possibly chosen to accept the later claim over the former ones, even though it contradicts the ancient prophecies and this would put you in a position of one who would ignore the severe warnings given by the prophets in the Holy Scriptures, which is a dangerous position to take with God.

But how can you know for certain what is true?  Well, there are several ways, but the best might be for you to study up on the ancient prophets’ claims and see where the truth really stands. In other words, once you know what they have prophesied, you will be able to SEE with you own eyes who is telling you the truth.  For how are all their prophecies coming true if they have been corrupted??? 

Do you want to know when and how the USA will fall?  Would it not be nice to know when the battle to take Israel will take place and how it will exactly turn out? Would it not be good to know who the major players (nations) will be and how they will interact in this critical time of the end of this age, and who will come out on top?  What about the collapse of the current nation states and the formation of the global new world order? Or the one man who will rise up to rule over it all (and what he will be like, along with when and how will he first be revealed)?  All this and much, much more is predicted by the prophets of old.  We ignore the prophets to our own peril my friend, don't make that mistake.

May you be blessed by God Almighty!  TJ


 

 

Christians Are Hypocrites And Liars, So I Don’t Have To Listen To You. 

 

Many Christians are hypocrites and so are many Muslims, Atheists, Hindus and Buddhists too.  Truth is not determined by looking at the hypocrites.   An interesting fact from the Bible is that the majority of those who are called Christians will be thrown into hell!  So, pointing at the pretenders in an attempt to justify another wrong position will not help a person on the Day of Judgment.  Moreover, if we let a hypocrite stand between us and God (who is the real truth), then who is closer?

 

What did Isa (Jesus Christ) say about this:

"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7:13-14

 

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.  Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’ - Matthew 7:21-23

 

Thus, Muslims gleefully pointing to some Christians with Ph.D.s, who say they don’t believe the Bible is a moot point, because even Jesus said there would be many apostates within the Church who would deny the faith.

 

Jesus went on to say:

"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." – The prophet John 8:24

 

"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." - The prophet John 3:36

 

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."  - The prophet John 3:16

 

   The prophet Isaiah spoke of this same Messiah that would come, born of a virgin, and who would suffer for the sins of many.

 

"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel (Immanuel means God with us)." - The prophet Isaiah 7:14

 

"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; and the government will rest on His shoulders; and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." - The prophet Isaiah 9:6

 

“But your iniquities (sins) have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear." - The prophet Isaiah 59:2

 

Again, The prophet Isaiah, prophesying about the suffering and crucifixion of the Messiah (hundreds of years before crucifixion was invented as a means of execution) said, "So His appearance was marred more than any man, And His form more than the sons of men.  Thus He will sprinkle many nations, Kings will shut their mouths on account of Him; for what had not been told them they will see, and what they had not heard they will understand.  Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?  For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty that we should look upon Him, nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. He was despised and forsaken of men, a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and like one from whom men hide their face, He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted.  But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.  All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him." – Isaiah 52:14 – 53:6

 

Even King David prophesied in Psalm 22 about the same suffering and crucifixion of the Messiah when he said, "All who see me sneer at me; they separate with the lip, they wag the head, saying, ‘Commit yourself to the LORD; let Him deliver him; let Him rescue him, because He delights in him.’ I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax; it is melted within me.  My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue cleaves to my jaws; and You lay me in the dust of death.  For dogs have surrounded me; a band of evildoers has encompassed me; they pierced my hands and my feet.  I can count all my bones.  They look, they stare at me; they divide my garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots." 

 

   This description of the Crucifixion in David’s Prophecy was written well over 500 years before crucifixion was even conceived of as a method of execution!  The eyewitnesses in Jesus day recorded these exact events happening to Jesus when he was being crucified.  Jesus fulfilled over 100 specific prophecies concerning the first coming of the Messiah (Savior of the world). The proof is substantial for those who wish to examine it.

 

To attempt to lie against all the historic accounts that match all the prophetic utterances and say God switched Judas or anyone else for Jesus, only demonstrates either an amazing ignorance or diabolical wickedness on the level of Satan himself, because any logical examination of the facts immediately exposes the fraud involved in such a ridiculous assertion.


  

God Is Not Three – God Is One

This is what Moses recorded in the Torah about God creating man, “Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness;” – Genesis 1:26   In fact, God revealed His plural nature to us in the very first verse, "In the beginning God Created the heaven and the earth" - Genesis 1:1.  The Hebrew word for "God" is Elohim, a plural noun.  But the action verb is "created" from the Hebrew word bara, a singular verb.  God defines Himself throughout the Bible as plural in nature (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), but ONE in purpose, thought and action.

Moreover the great prophet Isaiah stated, “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel (God with us).” – Isaiah 7:14  “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace” – Isaiah 9:6.  To understand God it is helpful to think of an analogy using H2O, although it is inadequate to use the physical realm to describe the spirit realm.  H2O can take on the form of a gas (like clouds, steam or vapor), liquid (like water - under or above ground, running or still, in large oceans or small puddles), or a solid (like ice - in your freezer or at one of the earth's poles), but it is still H2O all the same, regardless of all the different forms and places it exists in.  So it is with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.  God is still ONE, yet He is three as well.  That is why it is written in the Torah, "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." - Genesis 1:26.  God speaks of Himself in the plural form (3 times) in one sentence during the creation of man!

You see, God is an almighty, multi-dimensional Spirit, who can manifest Himself in different forms in a multiplicity of ways, so we cannot lock Him up in our tiny human (naturalistic) boxes, by deciding He must be stuck in another dimension, sitting on a throne, like some old man that can't even stand up.

 

The Word Trinity Is Not In Bible And It Is A Pagan Practice Adopted.

You Claim To Worship One God But You Really Believe That There Are Three, But In One.

 

It is correct that the word, Trinity, is NOT found in the Bible. Consequently, our Muslim friend wants us to infer that, because the Bible does not use the word Trinity, the doctrine of the Trinity must be false and anti-Biblical. However, our Muslim friend doesn't mention the fact that the word, at-Tawhid (the Unity of God), is NOT found in the Qur'an. Now, according to our Muslim friend's logic, the Islamic doctrine of at-Tawhid must be false and anti-Qur'anic, because the word is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

Next, he implies that the doctrine of the Trinity must have been adopted from pagan sources, since the word is not found in the Bible. Are we to assume that the Islamic view of at-Tawhid is from pagan sources too, because the term is not found in the Qur'an. Perhaps, the Muslim's doctrine of at-Tawhid came from ancient Egyptian sources. One Pharaoh, Akhenaten who reigned from 1379 to 1362 BC, believed in monotheism. He believed there was only one deity, Aten who "was defined as a universal, omnipresent spirit, that not only had created the universe, but also ruled it." See the Encyclopaedia of the Orient for further details.

Finally, our Muslim friend is confused over the idea of three in one. Perhaps, if he had taken the time to read and understand Christian literature on this topic, he would not have been so confused. The article entitled, Category Mistake, deals with our friend's logical fallacy. Is it so confusing to say that one house can have three rooms or that one triangle can have three sides? We aren't encouraged by the fact that, for more than fourteen hundred years, Muslims haven't been able to surpass such fallacious reasoning on the doctrine of the Trinity.

(Answer taken from: http://muhammadanism.org/Inquiries/Trinity/trinity_not_in_bible.htm)


  

How Can You Believe In A Trinity, Since It Is Not In The Bible?

 

Your concept that Jesus is God and God is the Father and a Holy Spirit; the concept of Trinity is not written in the Bible what-so-ever.  If you believe that the Bible is the word of God, then why don't you believe in this verse "Hear oh Israel your Lord Our God Is ONE"? That is a clear statement that God is only one and that evil people came later and changed this concept so they could lead millions into hell fire.

 

Although the word "trinity" is not found in the Bible, there is a great deal of scriptural evidence for the three in one nature of God, starting with the first book of the Bible on through the end. 


God revealed His plural nature to us in the very first verse, "In the beginning God Created the heaven and the earth" - Genesis 1:1.  The Hebrew word for "God" is Elohim, a plural noun.  But the action verb is "created" from the Hebrew word baraa singular verb.  God defines Himself throughout the Bible as plural in nature (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), but ONE in purpose, thought and action.

“Then God said,
"Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;” – Genesis 1:26  The prophet Isaiah said this, “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel (God with us).” – Isaiah 7:14 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace” – Isaiah 9:6. 

To understand God it is helpful to think of an analogy with water (or H
2O), even though it is wholly inadequate to describe the spiritual realm within the physical realm.  Whether H2O takes on the form of a gas (steam, vapor or a puffy cloud), liquid (like water, whether in a small puddle, glass or in a huge ocean), or a solid (like ice in your freezer or covering the arctic wastelands ), it is still H2O.  So it is with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.  God, as the Almighty Spirit, manifests Himself as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in any way He chooses to do so.  And yes, He interacts with mankind, not because He "needs" to, but because He chooses to do so.  God interacted with Adam (Genesis 3), He interacted with Abraham taking on a human form (Genesis 18) just to cite only two Scriptural examples among many, as God interacted with saints like Enoch, Noah, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Paul and John too, just to name a few more to show it is neither impossible or necessarily uncommon.   Almighty God is still ONE, yet He is three as well.  This is how He revealed Himself to the Prophets and Patriarchs.  Yet, it is a single, solitary witness of "Jibrael" that disputes this.  However, this mysterious spirit's witness is invalidated by the very Law of God, which states that EVERY FACT MUST BE ESTABLISHED BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES (Deuteronomy 17:6 & 19:15)Islam's foundation rests squarely upon this very serious violation of God's Law, as the only real testimony of Islam being from God comes from Jibrael and none other!


One last point on the part about comparing the Trinity with H20:  Some  people whose elevator does not go all the way to the top will tell you that a description of God being like H20 is heresy because it denies the three persons of the trinity.  It's an ANALOGY utilizing an example of material things in this world to help visualize the spiritual, not an exact description of God in His supernatural spirit form.  God, the Father, is like the solid form (stationed in the north as it were - Job 37:22 and Isaiah 14:13), as He usually stays one place in Heaven, the Holy Spirit is like the vapor or compared to the wind, as spoken of in Scripture (John 3:7-9 and Acts 2:1-3) and Jesus was compared to being like the water in the Scriptures, i.e. the living water (John 4:13-15 and Revelation 21:6 & 22:17).  So, anyone who would declare this analogy to be heresy only shows their profound ignorance of the Bible, along with their basic lack of understanding concerning even the naturalistic metaphors the Bible uses to describe our supernatural Creator.


So, the trinity is not some evil invention, but literally how God defines Himself to us (Luke 3:22 & Matthew 28:18-21), which we can either reject, by listening to lying spirits that we where told not to heed, like "Jibrael" (2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Galatians 1:8 & John 4:1), or simply accept God’s word and please Him with child-like faith (Luke 18:17). It is clearly written in God's unchanged word how God described himself as a plural/multifaceted being at the creation of man (Genesis 1:1-2; 26 John 1:1-14, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Colossians 1:15-17 & Revelation 1:1-18), but He also did the same thing again at the tower of Babel, when He confused the singular language of man by making us speak in many different tongues (or languages - Genesis 11:7). There are many places in the New Testament I could point to, and I've already shown the words of Jesus in John 14:6-9 , and Matthew 16:13-17 showing His deity, which is proof Jesus did claimed to be God and thus part of the trinity.  So, now I'll show you a couple of places where the Holy Scripture defines the Holy Spirit as God, to complete the trinity for you to see.

 

For it is also written, "But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife's full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? "While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God." And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it.  The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him" - Acts 5:1-6. 

 

Also, "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"--Mark 3:29 and "And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him" - Luke 12:10Can you blaspheme and be eternally damned for saying this against anyone less than God???  The evidence is clear for anyone who is not stuck on believing the words of a deceiving spirit.

 

Oldest Bible found in Palestine - Jesus was just a servant of God
and not God - Trinity False

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogXWwKcHPNc&feature=related

When examining such claims, as are made on this video, one must simply apply the most elementary logic to see the fallacy in the claim.  The original claim made in the title of the video was that the writings found where the oldest “Bible”, when, in fact, it is only claimed by the producer of the video that it was some alternative 1st Century Church writings, which did not actually contradict anything in the Bible, or more correctly, the New Testament.  

The fact that Jesus is referred to as a “servant” of God is in the Bible, so this is no new or special revelation (Matthew 12:17-21).  The context is the fulfillment of one of Isaiah’s prophecies concerning the Messiah.  The word “servant” here literally means child, as in the Son serving the Father.  The problem is with the man-centered idea about God that He would never “stoop” to serve anybody, because He is on top.  However, Jesus repeatedly showed that God’s ways are not like our ways at all, and the greatest in the kingdom of God is the servant of all (Matthew 23:11), and that would be God, because of all He does for us.  For who among us would even be breathing if God did not give us breath?  Who would have good health if He did not grant it?  Who would have a single thing to eat or wear?  If a person is thankful to God it is only because they realize they have been served and/or given gifts from the Almighty.  I think you get the point and this correction of a wrong concept really ends the attempted argument on this issue, but there is more to understand in how we should examine such issues when they come up.

First, what is the real source of the document? Was any real proof of its authenticity given?  No.  This source is extremely questionable to begin with, as it was in too good of a condition to be a 1st century manuscript (especially one kept in that manner - open to the air and not sealed).  Also, it was in book form, instead of a scroll and the caretaker was making no good effort to preserve it (touching it without gloves, allowing the skin oils to get on it, which would cause much more rapid deterioration).  Nothing about the presentation of the document looked genuine at all. 

But, for the sake of argument, let's just for a moment say the text was authentically from the first century.  Then, the second point of logic to examine would be to see if the argument made concerning the issue demonstrated valid proof in the text to pass the basics of logical examination.  It failed this test as well, for no argument can be conclusively made from a reported "lack of evidence" (from things not mentioned).  This is a logical fallacy and it disqualifies the accusation.  It's like saying that because computers were not mentioned in the Bible or the Qur'an, then that proves computers don't really exist.  Obviously, this is not how truth can be determined.

Yet, the icing on the cake is all the contrary evidence, written in the first century, which speaks very openly and clearly to what the early Christians did in fact believe and understand to be true.  Take the book of James in the Bible that was mentioned in the video as "evidence", because Jesus was not mentioned as God (the same lack of evidence argumentation).  They conveniently failed to mention though that James opened the letter referring to himself as the slave of the Lord Jesus Christ.  The term Lord could not mean anything but God in this context.  How would a sibling call his own brother, who he supposedly thought was just a teacher or a prophet, Lord???  

Further, James speaks of having "faith" and he was a leader in the first century Church in Jerusalem, with Peter, who clear said Jesus was God, the Son, and our only hope of salvation.  The "faith" James referred to was obviously the common belief in the Lordship of Jesus Christ being God, the Son, the Messiah, Savior of the world.  And if James was all about doing works to try to earn salvation, as some have claimed, then why did he say in James 2:10 that if we try to keep the whole law (Law of God) and yet stumble in just one point of it, we automatically become guilty of all of it (which would condemn us before God)!  James and the early Church clearly believed in salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, through His blood sacrifice for our sins, which Jesus accomplished for us on the cross, in His bodily death and resurrection three days later.

False gospels and other so-called early writings or fake documents are sold to the liberal unbelieving scholars all the time in the Middle East.  They are easy targets, because they so desperately want to find anything that will validate their unbelief in Jesus being God and the Bible as God’s authoritative word.  Such nonsense will not cease until Jesus returns and put and end to it, and that will not be too much longer.

 

    

Jibrael Was God’s Messenger Angel

 

Actually, we know about the real Jibrael (the arch-angel Gabriel), because he is a messenger angel from God (Daniel 8:16; 9:20-21& Luke 1:19-26).  However, the spirit that delivered the message you are adhering to did not show any credentials to prove who he was.  Therefore, we can only go on what the Law of God and the Prophets have told us, which God put into place to protect us.  We are required to test all spirits that bring a message. For it is written, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" - 1 John 4:1. 

 

The spirit that introduced the Islamic religion to the world unequivocally failed God's tests, given by both the His Law and His prophets, but ignorance, pride, fear and the heartbreaking pain of what this means to so many is just too much for most to be able to acknowledge this, and that is precisely what the devil is counting on to hold them in his deceptive bondage, so that he can drag their soul into hell with himself.  Satan's hatred of humanity may be every bit as intense as God's love for us, and he will do anything it takes to see as many souls as possible go to hell to burn forever.  He does not care what religion you hold to, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, etc., as long as he can get you to die without true forgiveness from the blood sacrifice of Jesus, he has you. (Most people within Christianity have not truly repented and made Jesus their Lord and Savior by the way, and sadly they won't). 

 

For it is written,  "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it"  - Matthew 7:13-14


  

Jibrael Is The Holy Spirit, Who Gave Muhammad The Message

 

There is another matter here that you must carefully take time to consider and hopefully understand.  The Holy Spirit is not a mere created creature (i.e. an angel).  There is no mention of this type of idea in the Torah, the prophets or the Gospel historically at all. It was only after "Jibrael" showed up that this lie was born and planted in the minds of men (i.e. “God did not beget a son” and “Jesus is only a prophet”). 

 

The Scripture that shows us that the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-5).  Blasphemy in Jesus' day was considered a reviling or disrespectful treatment of holy God.  This is why Jesus was repeatedly accused of blasphemy by the religious Jews, for claiming to be deity in front of them. Yet, this is what Jesus had to say about those who would deliberately disrespect the Holy Spirit:  "And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him" - Luke 12:10.  Also, "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin" - Mark 3:29.  Let me be quick to add here that I believe you have spoken thus far out of ignorance and deception about the Holy Spirit not being God.  However, now that you have been informed, you are fully accountable and I would not take this lightly, as your soul is literally in the balance with how you speak about the Holy Spirit from now on.

 

The Bible Is Filled With Errors And Only The Qur’an Has Been Perfectly Preserved


This is what truly gets at the very heart of our disagreement - Is the Qur'an true or is the Bible true?  Since they contradict each other in critical doctrine, only one can be right.  I have pointed out many disagreements and contrary positions between the two sources. Islamic scholars have long known about this problem, so to put the Qur'an in a place of supreme authority they had to say that the Bible was corrupted. This is why I have pointed out that the Qur'an speaks to the preeminence of the Bible's authority (the very first question).  Thus, Islamic scholars must say that the Bible was corrupted sometime after the time the Qur'an was "officially" authorized by Uthman.  Unfortunately, for those who have been taught that the Qur'an was unblemished and perfect from God to Muhammad to what we have today, we have the contrary historic account from Uthman himself, according to the Hadith, admitting to an alteration for the Qur'an, after the time of Muhammad's death about twenty years later -  (http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/uthman.htm).

The Hadith also records seven different ways that the Qur'an could be recited prior to Uthman's final version for the Qur'an we now have (http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/uthman.htm).  Therefore, we must ask which reciting was really correct, since some of Muhammad's followers were ready to kill each other over the differences in the recitings.  Also, which one of the seven ways did Uthman choose for the final version we have today?  Further then, we are being asked to accept by blind faith that Uthman did not make any mistakes in his selections.


But, this problem is nothing compared to the strict restriction Moses gave us concerning God's Law on such matters. It was the prophet and Law giver, Moses, who proclaimed, “on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed” – Deuteronomy 17:6.  One witness is not sufficient to establish or judge a matter or person by - Deuteronomy 19:15.  The Bible testifies to the accuracy of the prophets with over 40 separate witnesses (inspired writers) who all spoke and wrote to the same message about man's sinful, fallen condition, Isa (Jesus Christ), the Messiah, who would come to save mankind, by suffering and dying for our sins and the true character and nature of God.  The Qur’an has but one witness, a spirit calling itself "Jibrael".  How is the witness of one being put above the witness of over 40 who all agree, even though such a thing breaks the Law of God given through Moses?  The Law, within the historical accuracy of the biblical text, has been repeatedly proved reliable over the years with things like the Dead Sea Scrolls and the supernatural witness from the Holy Spirit that I am a child of God.  These things utterly out weigh the witness of one, even if his testimony had never been altered.

The Disasters (Changes) in the Qur’an_1

  

Bart Ehrman (A Christian Theologian) Has Shown That The Bible is full Of Errors And Thus Unreliable.

 

Proof of 27000 alterations to the Bible is found at this link: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1910141_1910142_1910130,00.html

 

Osama, this is a common method of argumentation from those outside of Christianity, because they do not understand the methods of textual criticism that can be applied to authenticate documentsIt is either, a quote from a liberal "expert" (Christian in name only (CINO) - usually an apostate/unbeliever hiding behind their false authority, like a Ph.D. of “Divinity”) or some source from the Rothschild Cartel’s spin doctors, who are on the payroll of liberal, secular media sources of print, internet, radio or television.  All of these people are the devil's mouth pieces with a vested interests in lying against the truth. 

 

Bart Ehrman is just the latest dross that has floated to the top and he and the others like him are behind the article you listed as proof for the 27,000 alterations.  Yet, like others before them and those who will follow, these people are always exposed in their fraudulent arguments.  Allow me to share one brief example that should demonstrate the foolishness of such claims.

 

Let's put ourselves into a fifth grade class with 50 kids. The teach enters into the class room one day and tells everyone to get out their writing pads and pencils.  Then, the teacher proceeds to write a long paragraph up on the chalk board instructing the class to copy the paragraph exactly, to the very best of their ability, for a full writing test grade.  All the kids do their finest, but not all writing skills are equal.  When the class finishes the assignment the teacher takes a picture of the board and erases the long paragraph off of the entire board, but the bell rings, so the teacher tells the students to turn in the copies the next day for grading, because he has an important appointment he must rush to. The following day the teacher asks for the copies, but three students misplaced their copy.  So, the teacher spreads the remaining 47 copies out on a big table and tells the students that if he can accurately reproduce the original paragraph from the remaining copies that the whole class would still be given a grade of an ‘A’ for the test.  So, eagerly they all gather around the big table and the teacher goes to the board with his chalk in hand. He then instructs the class to tell him the first word.  43 kids say "The", two say "An", one says "To" and one says "Them".  So, then the teacher asks the kids, which word is it going to be?  There is a brief argument, but the majority overwhelmingly says "The"!  And the teacher went through the rest of the long paragraph (text) word by word this way until the very end.  From the majority, by applying simple logic, the students were easily able to get their ‘A’, even though there were many “alterations” between the various copies. This is how honest scholars have accurately reconstructed the New Testament from all the various manuscripts with complete confidence.  Thus, demonstrating that the accuracy of the Bible is still intact and the Bart Ehrman's of this world are definitely not smarter than a fifth grader.

 

We may debate the particular wording in a few passages, but the fact remains that over 90 percent of the New Testament text is unanimously supported by all the ancient manuscripts without even the slightest minor issues.  In those passages where the proper reading is disputed, there is no major doctrinal change within that dispute, and we can rest assured that we have the correctly revealed will of God in the translations of the Bible that utilize this method, which is most of them.

 

Another proof I personally enjoy is that of biblical prophecy.  For if the Bible had not been preserved accurately, then biblical prophecy would be impossible to understand or make any accurate assessment from concerning current and future events.  Read and study the prophetic material on my website for the things that the Bible has predicted which are coming to pass and will soon come to pass before our very eyes, as this current age is quickly coming to an end, just like the prophets said it would!  No honest person who looks into these things can attempt to dismiss these things as mere coincidence, especially if it had come from “altered material”.  Only the Bible foretells the future so accurately, with so many precise details. The biblical prophets absolutely silence all sincere attempts of criticism, which is why so many would rather ignore them.

 

So the question is, how do we get sin off our soul to be able to live with God in Heaven?

 

God had to come in the human form of Jesus and die for us, because all sin requires the death penalty. Someone has to pay the price for our sin, which for us (the guilty) is an eternity in the lake of fire (also known as the second death), if we pay for it ourselves.  However, God knew that an alternate payment could be made by sacrificing a perfect innocent person for those guilty of sin.  So, God came Himself, in the form of the Son, Jesus Christ, to die for us, to pay the price to set us free from certain eternal damnation, which we could never escape on our own.  This is why Jesus said, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." - John 3:16 and "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." - John 8:24 and "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.'" - John 14:6 and "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies" - John 11:25

 

This is how I became free and now have eternal life, because I have believed in and accepted Jesus Christ's payment for my sin and been made righteous through Him.  I acknowledge I was a sinner, I repented of my sin and asked His forgiveness and surrendered my life to Him as my Lord and Savior.  In that moment, Jesus came to me supernaturally in the Spirit and told me He loved me and He forgave me.  I wept tears of joy, because I knew I had been set free of all my sinful guilt and shame, as well as found the true love I had always desired to know.

 

He waits for you even now, for He does not wish for any to perish, but you must soften your heart toward Him, acknowledge your sin (along with your helpless state to resolve your sin problem) and ask His forgiveness.

 

May God greatly bless you my friend, TJ.

  

The Apostles Just Made Up Stuff, To Keep Their Religion Alive And Make A Living Off It.


Perhaps this false accusation might have carried some weight, if the apostles and other followers of Christ had lived in the lap of luxury, with easy lives and without much persecution.  However, this does not even remotely represent the historical record.  All of the Apostles were bitterly persecuted and murdered, with the exception of John, who was thrown into a huge caldron full of boiling oil, but, supernaturally, by a miracle of God, made his way out of the cooking pot of death unharmed.  Hardship, difficulty, hatred and constant harassment was the normal condition for the followers of Christ.  Thus, it is just one more desperate invention to deny the death and resurrection of the Son of God.

These individual’s had no motive to lie and continue to lie until they were killed for the testimony they maintained.  They were given every reason and opportunity to change their witness, but they would not. They did not just maintain a consistent and faithful testimony concerning the saving, sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ, they lived what they taught, even though it came at a great cost.

Further proof is found in the fact that God placed His divine stamp of approval on the apostles of Jesus because they did numerous miracles that only God could perform.  Liars or delusional men do not work the works of God.  Comparatively, there was nothing even close to the many amazing, divine miracles during the founding period of Islam on through the four main leaders (the first four caliphs) during the standardization of the Qur'an.  And even if they had done similar miracles, the Law of God would still take a more superior position in judgment concerning the contradictions that came from the solitary witness of a single spirit.

Unfortunately, the devil has deceived many sincere followers of Islam by the contrary words of Jibrael, but it need not continue to be the case.  I realize that this can be an enormously difficult, emotional and mental challenge or obstacle to face, considering you and all those dear to you have been raised to unquestionably believe and stake your very soul upon a clever trick of the evil one, but God did put safeguards and barriers in place to protect us.  If we are ignorant about, or dismissive toward, God's protections, then the devil will get us every time.  If we continue to refuse to apply the protection God put in place, further ignoring these warnings, then we are only fooling ourselves when it comes to the hope of God’s mercy being applied to us.

Additionally, it is the devil's method, once he has deceived and ensnared someone, to keep them in bondage through fear (do not question what you have be told, because if you do, you will be an outcast and likely killed as an "apostate" if you walk away).  Jesus told us about this tactic of the devil when He said, "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly." - John 10:10. (In context, Jesus was speaking about false religious leaders that the devil uses to do his dirty work.)  Jesus also said, "you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free" - John 8:32.  More over Jesus taught, “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” – Matthew 10:28.

The truth is that God loves us and He sent Jesus His Son to die and pay for our sins, because our good works and religious rituals can never remove sin from our soul.  We can be forgiven, if we reject the devil's lies against the truth and ask Jesus to forgive us, and ask Him to come into our heart and life to be our Lord and Savior.  I did this just over 31 years ago (in my early 20's) and Jesus showed up, told me that He loved me and forgave me, and I have never been the same since, as He changed my from being a foul and bitter person (a fake or religious "Christian", which is the majority of what you see today) into someone useful who can share His love to others, whether the be "Christian", Muslim, Hindu, etc., because the devil wins if a person is not forgiven through the blood sacrifice of Jesus.

  

I’m A Good Person.  I Keep God’s Commands.  God is Merciful.  I Do Not Have To Worry About My Sin Like You Do.


Hi Adam,

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continue to see this as simply a misunderstanding about what sin actually is, sin's horrible affect on us, power over us and how we must be forgiven from our sins, from God's viewpoint, not the human viewpoint which is corrupted by our fallen sin nature.
Additionally, Jesus made it clear to all who thought that they might try to be justified by their own good works and religious piety when He said a person had to be more righteous than the most religiously strict and perfectly pious Law keepers in His day, the Pharisees and Scribes, which would be impossible (Matthew 5:20).

God provided a fairly easy way for us to understand our sin problem when He gave Moses the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17)

1. Always put God first in all we do. {When we are selfish and do what we want, putting our desires and sinful behavior before what He would have us do, we dishonor God and violate the first commandment.  No human has ever been able to keep this commandment perfectly.}

2. No idols.  {This seems fairly simple until we realize that idols are not just wooden statues.  An idol is anything we consider so important that God takes a back seat in our life in that area.  We can even fashion an idol in our minds about what we think God is like, which is different (even slightly) to what He said He was like.  For instance, many Christians want a loving, forgiving god that has little or no Holiness (absolute purity and righteousness), so they can do whatever they want, because that "god" will not judge them for their sin.  It is a nice warn, fuzzy thought that makes them feel good and devalue the consequences of their sin in their mind, but they will regret it when they stand before the true, Holy God who created them.}

3. Do not use God's name in vain.  {This is not just swearing or cursing with His name, but using God's name loosely, for which the Lord will not leave any unpunished.}

4. Keep the Sabbath Holy.  {Always keeping the holy day of rest properly, without any failures or exceptions.}

5. Honor your parents.  {How many of us ALWAYS honored and obeyed our parents all the time?}

6. Do not murder. {Jesus said that even if you hate someone in your heart, it is the same as murder in God's sight (Matthew 5:20-22).}

7. Do not commit adultry. {Jesus said that if you look at a woman and lust for her, it is the same thing as having sex with her in God's eye's (Matthew 5:27-28).  If you are a normal man, you have failed on this one.}

8. Do not steal. {Have you ever taken something that was not yours, regardless of the value?  If so, what would that make you?}

9. Do not lie or bear false witness.  {Have you ever told a lie?  Even God says all men are liars and that all liars will have their place in the lake of fire.  Ouch, not any wiggle room here.}

10. Do not covet anything your neighbor has. {Covet means to simply desire what someone else has. Who has not fallen to this one as well?}

God gave us His Law to instruct us about our foolish pride, to show us just how far we fall short of His Holy standard and that we can never be good enough on our own.  Unfortunately, human pride goes all the way back to the beginning of the human race and our original disobedience to God.  Go told us that each sin committed (or law/commandment broken or disobeyed) earns the death penalty.  Now imagine how many death penalties we have accumulated against us.  Would any good or righteous judge let off a person with who had a multitude of death sentences they needed to pay for?  No, because then he would not be a good judge, as justice would be perverted.

Adam and Eve were told to enjoy everything, except the fruit from one tree, as they were forbidden by God to eat of it.  They ate anyway and sinned against God.  The very first thing God did to cover their broken relationship was to slay an innocent animal for what they had done.  God was showing them that sin had consequences and that shed blood (to the point of death) was required to pay for the sin, either their blood or the blood of an innocent one, as a substitute, because blood, or death, is the only way to appease or pay for sin's corrupting and destroying effect. 

Adam and Eve's first two children (Cain and Able) were taught this principle by their parents. When they were young men, the time came for them to offer up sacrifices for their sin.  It reads like this, "So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the LORD of the fruit of the ground. Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering; but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard" (see Genesis 4:1-8).

God was not being mean to Cain, because Cain knew what God had instructed concerning the proper way to deal with the sin problem.  God knew that only the blood of an innocent or death of a clean animal could remove sin.  But, Cain thought he knew better and he did it his own way, thinking it should count just as well.  For Cain had obviously worked hard to bring God the best of what he had produced from his labor, so he became very angry, once God rejected his sacrifice.

Cain was so prideful and disobedient, because he would not go back and do it the right way, as God had instructed feeling that his sacrifice was good enough and God should be merciful and forgive him. But how could God change, when innocent blood or death was the only solvent or solution to cleanse Cain's sin from off his soul. Cain was so entrenched (unmovable) in his position that he refused to listen to God and make the sacrifice the correct way.  Further, when Cain went and found his brother Able in the field (who had obediently given the proper sacrifice) he murdered him.  (And to this very day many of the sons of Cain still continue to murder the sons of Able).

Adam, you are right that God is love and that He can be great in mercy.  But, apparently you do not truly understand how God operates in showing and distributing that love to us.  It is still a mystery to you.

Allow me to help you understand God's nature better with an example and an explanation.

This is what Moses recorded about God creating man, “Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;” – Genesis 1:26 “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel (God with us).” – Isaiah 7:14  “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace” – Isaiah 9:6.  To understand God it is helpful to think of a natural analogy concerning water (or H2O).  Whether H2O takes on the form of a gas (steam or vapor), liquid (like water), or a solid (like ice), it is still H2O. So it is with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.  God is still ONE, yet He is three as well.  This is how He described Himself to the Prophets and Patriarchs (Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 11:6-8).

There Are Five Simple Things To Know About Getting Into Heaven:

# 1:  The first thing to understand is that God is holy, which means in all that God thinks, says and does, He is completely pure, righteous and flawless. There are a few places in Scripture where God gives us a peek at what He is like up in Heaven and two of them in particular give us a rather stunning view.  In both Isaiah 6:2-5 and Revelation 4:2-11, we see these awesome four living creatures (the covering seraphim), each with six wings, surrounding God on His throne.  With two wings they are covering their faces (or upper body), with two wings they are covering their feet (or lower body) and with their last set of wings they are hovering around the throne before God.  They constantly were saying without ceasing “HOLY, HOLY, HOLY is the Lord”.

Notice that the seraphim did not say even one time that God is merciful, gracious, loving, kind, gentle or forgiving. The reason is all of God’s other attributes of love, mercy, grace, kindness, patience, forgiveness, etc. flow from out of God’s holiness.  Yet, first and foremost, God is holy and pure, far beyond all else (HOLY3- to the third power).

So, how is this important to our gaining access to Heaven?  Well, because God is so holy, He cannot have anything to do with sin, which defiles, contaminates and destroys everything it touches and He certainly doesn’t want it up in heaven ruining His home. 

# 2: The second thing to properly understand is that Sin is like a thick, black tarry substance that acts like a malignant cancer, consuming everything it comes into contact with, and it covers every human soul, actively devastating and devouring the human race in its evil.

Who has sin?  All of us do.  Are you perfect?  Have you ever lied, stolen, put something or someone else (including yourself) before God, wanted something that wasn’t yours, lusted after someone in your mind or even hated someone?  According to God’s minimum standard of holiness (the Ten Commandments and Jesus further clarification of them - Exodus 20:1-17 & Matthew 5:21-28) doing those things makes us lying, thieving, idolatrous, covetous, adulterous, murderers at heart, as they are a violation against God.

We must understand that each sin, no matter how “small” we may think it is, earns us the death penalty (Romans 6:23). This is so because one drop of sin ultimately accomplishes the same effect as a whole bucket of sin.  For once it touches us, it begins to feed on us and our life, then it spreads, enveloping and devouring us until it has completed its evil work and brought us to our death.  This is why God hates sin and why He will pour His wrath out on sin to destroy it, for He knows its appalling and lethal result on His creation.

# 3: 
So, how can we get rid of sin, to be able to go and live with God in Heaven, where no sin will be allowed?  God showed us the way from the very beginning in Genesis, when He took an animal and killed it for the sinful disobedience of the founders of the human race, Adam and Eve.  God was demonstrating to mankind that innocent blood is required to cleanse sin off of our souls, because sin demands death (blood) in payment. However, an animal was only a temporary fix, because we continually sin.  God knew that the only permanent solution could come from a substitutionary death of a perfect human sacrifice of innocent blood (to be put to death to pay all sin’s penalty).  But no human could fulfill this role because we all sin.  So, (because of His great love for us – John 3:16) God came Himself (John 1:1-14), in the form of the Son, Jesus Christ, to live a perfect life and to be the sinless (innocent) sacrifice for us.

# 4:  Know The Solution.  This is why Jesus said that He is the only way to God in Heaven (John 14:6), because His blood is the only legitimate solvent that gets sin off of our soul.  The thing most religious people (including the majority of those who identify themselves as being Christian) just don’t understand is that good works, trying to keep a religious set of rules or laws, or being a “good person” cannot remove sin off of our soul.  This is why the prophet Isaiah said that “all of our good works are like filthy rags” (Isaiah 64:6), because we try to use them like a rag to wipe sin off of our soul and the best we can manage to do is make a pile of dirty, contaminated, black tar covered, sin stained rags, and yet the sin still remains on us, ever growing, like a malignant cancer!

This explains to us why God could not accept Cain’s sacrifice (all of the best of his efforts and the choicest produce from the ground that he brought before God), and why God could accept Abel’s sacrifice of an innocent animal, because the blood of an innocent was needed to cleanse sin off of their souls (Genesis 4). Many today are still trying to do it Cain’s way, attempting to obtain righteousness, favor and mercy before God by their own good works and religious efforts, but these things do not have any real power over sin, to cleanse it off of our souls.  Again, the blood of Jesus Christ is the only permanent solvent against sin to allow us to be pure enough to gain entrance into Heaven.

# 5:  Apply The Solution.  So, how do we obtain the blood of Jesus Christ, to cleanse sin off of our souls? Well, we must cry out to God and repent of our sin (abandon and turn away from our wrong doing against God and others).  We must acknowledge that we do have a sin problem and agree with God’s solution (that Jesus Christ is God, that He came and took on human flesh and lived a sinless, perfect life, dying for the sin that is destroying our souls and that He rose again to prove that He has authority and power over sin and death).  We must ask Jesus to forgive us, cleanse our soul with His blood and make Him both our Savior and our Lord, which means He is the real boss of us from now on and the rest of our life is His to do with as He pleases and knows best.

Once we do this sincerely, God comes to us, cleanses our soul through the blood of Jesus Christ and seals us in Him by the Holy Spirit to be with Him for eternity in Heaven (Ephesians 1:13-14).  Now, would you like to do this, so you can know you will go to Heaven? [Romans 8:15-17 & 1 John 5:10-13 – speak to a 100% certainty: by the witness of the Holy Spirit literally telling us that we are truly God’s child.  Do you know what this is? If not, be concerned! – 2 Corinthians 13:5]  Pray to Jesus Christ to make Him your Lord and Savior right now, for you do not truly know if you have tomorrow and it is appointed for us to die and then face the judgment of God (Hebrews 9:27).  Also, read Revelation 20:11-15 about the books of deeds versus the book of life.  Anyone placing their hope in their good deeds for entrance into Heaven will be bitterly disappointed!!!

Pray Sincerely To God:  “Lord Jesus, I confess that I am a sinner in need of your saving blood over me and I acknowledge that you are the only One who can remove sin off of my soul. Please forgive my sin and cleanse me by your valuable and innocent life’s blood that you poured out for me on the cross.  Come into me, make me yours and fill me with your resurrection life.  I give you my life to do with what you will and I will obey you as my Lord and my God.  In your precious holy name, Lord Jesus, I pray, Amen (so be it)”.

God bless you Adam, may we see each other in Heaven!  TJ.

  

Are There Scales Of Justice In Heaven? - A Short Testimony!

I can tell you from my own witness that the prophets are true.  How?  I, too, once thought a scale of justice awaited me in heaven (instead of the books of my deeds that would judge and condemn me).  I was very uncertain which way the scales would tip, even though I was not a “bad” person, and the thought of watching them even tip slightly toward a decision that would send me to an eternal hell was very frightening to me.  I knew I needed to have my sins forgiven, but I was not sure if they would be.  When I was 21 years old, I cried out to Jesus to forgive me and come into my life to be my Lord and Savior.  In that very moment Jesus showed up, though I did not see Him with my eyes, His presence in the Spirit was overwhelming.  I immediately felt the shame of all my sin, it was great and unbearable, but instantly Jesus spoke to me and said, I love you and I forgive you.  I cannot express how overtaken I was with a complete feeling and full understanding that I had just been forgiven by the Creator of the universe.  I wept tears of immense joy, as I not only felt the relief of my sin burden lifted off of me, but I knew His love was what I had always been searching for and I had now found.  My life was changed from that moment on, as I now knew that I had purpose and meaning for living, I was forgive and free to be what God wanted me to be and I have never been the same since.  Cry out to Jesus, He longs to do the same for you.

  

You Must Submit To Islam, Because Your Belief Is Profane And Distasteful

 

Dear JBT,

What is truly distasteful is the thought that I would be so foolish and profane as to resubmit myself to the religious futility the world is so self-righteously proud of in promoting.  For all it achieves is keeping the souls of human beings in bondage to their sin, because not any human good work or religious ritual has the capacity to remove sin from the soul. 

It does not matter what religious name the pious and dutiful futility (bondage) is given, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Darwinism, etc., because all works based religions leave the soul in its sin (this is why those without a proper relationship with Jesus Christ are uncertain about what will happen when die, including many who call themselves Christians).  Only the living, crucified and bodily resurrected, Messiah's (Savior's) blood atonement for us can forgive us and set us free when we have submitted our life to Him in repentance for our sin.  This is why the devil does not want the world to know the truth about Jesus Christ, because He is our only hope!

I appreciate your passion in standing up for what you believe in.  Nonetheless, I encourage you to pray to the living God of the universe and ask Him to show you what is true, as you examine things that you have not considered before.

It is the truth I will always seek, because anything less will only hurt us.  By the way, did you know that Jesus said He was “the way, the truth and the life” and no one comes to the Father but through Him? (John 14:6)  This verse is why my website is called Truth-and-Life.

You can argue into you are blue in the face my friend, but I've meet Jesus Christ and He loves me and He has forgiven me.  He deeply longs to prove Himself real to you too, but you must be sincere with Him and give Him the opportunity.  If you refuse, Jesus has already clearly explained your certain fate (John 8:24 and Revelation 20:11-15).  This is between you and Him, it's not about me, as I am only His ambassador.

 

  

The Qur’an Is The Only Holy Book And Perfect From God
(Are there Contradictions in the Qur'an?)
 

 

You have touched what truly gets at the very heart of the disagreement - Is the Qur'an true or is the Bible the true word form God?  There is no question that the two works teach contrary positions, particularly concerning fundamental doctrine about Jesus.  Islamic scholars have long known about this problem, so to put the Qur'an in a place of supreme authority they had to say that the Bible was corrupted.  This is why in my last response I pointed out that the Qur'an speaks to the preeminence of the Bible's authority (Surah 5:43-47), because it is really behind much of the foundation of Islamic belief system.  Thus, Islamic scholars must say that the Bible was corrupted sometime after the time the Qur'an was "officially" authorized by Uthman, which has been shown to be false by the Dead Sea Scrolls.  Unfortunately, for those who have been taught that the Qur'an was unblemished and perfect from God to Muhammad, to what we have today, Uthman, according to the Hadith, altered the Qur'an, after the time of Muhammad's death, approximately twenty years later -  (http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/uthman.htm).

 

The hadith also records seven different ways that the Qur'an could be recited prior to Uthman's final version for the Qur'an we now have (http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/uthman.htm). Therefore, we must ask which reciting was really correct (since some of Muhammad's followers were ready to kill each other over the differences in the recitings), as well as which one of the seven ways did Uthman choose for the final version we have today?  Further then, we are being asked to accept by blind faith that Uthman did not make any mistakes.

 

But, this problem is nothing compared to the strict restriction Moses gave us concerning God's Law on such matters. A fact that is usually completely avoided for, on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed” – Deuteronomy 17:6  "Jibrael" is just one witness who DOES contradict all combined testimony of the previous witnesses, which collectively point out that Jesus is God.

You have argued: 

The Bible is full of errors, but the Qur’an is the “perfect book preserved on tablets in heaven ”.

You shared some verses from the bible. I believe contradictory verses can be found in the same book. I will share some in future. 

Once you reject the authority of God's real word, the Bible, your hope of understanding it is undone.  God, the Holy Spirit inspired it and He is the One who allows humans to understand it (John 14:26 & 1 John 2:27).  My webpage for answering Islamic objections continually demonstrates problem.  The natural mind, especially one tainted with lies about who God really is and what He really said, cannot possibly hope to understand the holy word of God, the Bible, unless they humble themselves before God.  This is why people like Yusuf Estes never understood the Bible as a "Christian" and it is why he still is clueless about it as a practicing Muslim.

I could as well, easily share Koranic verses that confirm my fundermenal positions and unlike the bible, you would find none int he koran to contadict these positions.

Please Bashir, surely you really are not that naive? The Qur'an is full of very serious and obvious contradictions, internally and externally in science and history. 

http://carm.org/contradictions-quran 

http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/Quran-contradiction-flaws.htm 

http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/more.html 

http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/#internal 

http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/index.html#external

The Disasters (Changes) in the Qur’an_1



 

Does Song of Songs Really Mention Muhammad's Name?

Borrowed from http://www.answering-islam.org/BibleCom/songs5-16.html

 

Some refer chapter 5:16, of the Song of Songs (Solomon), to Muhammad, simply because in the Hebrew the word mahamaddim, "delights," "delightfulnesses," occurs there, and is derived from the same root.

 

But we find that the word in Hebrew is a common, and not a proper noun (i.e. not a name), as the use of the plural here shows.

 

Further, the same word occurs again as a common noun in Hosea 9:6,16; 1 Kings 20:6; Lamentations 1:10,11; 2:4; Isaiah 64:10; 2 Chronicles 36:19; Ezekiel 24:16,21,25.In the last passage (Ezekiel 24:16, "the desire of thine eyes") it is applied to a woman, Ezekiel's wife (compare verse 18), and to the sons and daughters of the idolatrous Jews (verse 25). It would be just as fair to apply the word to Muhammad HERE as in the Song of Songs.

 

A newsgroup article in regard to that:

      Song of Songs 5:16                       shyr hshyrym 5,16

 

      his mouth is sweets                      Hkw mmtqym

      and all of him is delights               wklw mHmdym

      this is my love                          zh dwdy

      and this is my darling                   wzh r`y

      daughters of Jerusalem                   bnwt yrwshlm

 

      Song of Songs 5:16 is no more a reference to Muhammad than it is to

      Mumattaq or to David.  Finding the name of Muhammad here is manipulative 

      nonsense, not honest academic research.

      The Arabic and Hebrew share a cognate word [Hmd], yet there are of

      course several other similar occurrences in the Hebrew scriptures.

 

      The New Bantam-Megiddo Hebrew & English Dictionary lists...

 

              Hmd (yHmwd) p           covet, lust after

              Hmd z                   delight, loviness

              Hmdh n                  desire, object of desire

              Hmdnwt                  covetousness, lustfulness

 

It is also interesting to note: Many Muslims are "outraged" that something like the Song of Songs by Solomon which is a love song and sometimes very open in its erotic language could be part of the Word of God, the Bible. But then they are completely duplicitous and hypocritical, as they completely "forget" this argument and try to find in the middle of this very same love poem expressing this woman's desire for her lover the name of Muhammad and are not the least embarrassed by this. Have a look at the whole context of Song of Songs 5-6. The argument goes: This should not be in the Bible, such erotic language is unworthy of the Word of God, but it is a prophecy of Muhammad nevertheless.

 

A further problem is that even though Muslims need to find Muhammad mentioned because the Qur'an claims so, the Song of Songs is neither part of the Torah nor the Gospel, so that this verse wouldn't help at all to satisfy this demand of the Qur'an even if it were to speak about Muhammad.

 

Are Judaism, Christianity and Islam are Similar? 
In response to the YouTube video teaching by an Islamic Scholar: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OEU9B3V-Fg&feature=related 


Judaism - Christianity - Islam
 
Similarities Claimed: 
 
  1. Muhammad is mentioned in the Old Testament and the New Testament (supposedly). 
  2. The Lord our God is one is mentioned in all three religions.
  3. Jesus is not God (and supposedly Jesus never claimed divinity).
  4. The biggest sin is shirk.
  5. Eli or Eloi equal Allah.
  6. Prayer, alms and hajj, fasting is the way to Righteousness 
  7. Behavioral Issues: eating, drinking clothing etc.
  8. What about all the other religious books, especially those that might mention Muhammad? 
Critical Differences:
 
  1. The claims that Muhammad was mentioned in the Bible are proved untrue:
 
  1. The Lord our God is one:
 
  1. Jesus is God, and He made this crystal clear.  Muslims do not believe Jesus was God, the Son, or the redeeming Savoir for sin, sent for this purpose by God the Father.  [If your speaker was even remotely honest with the whole of what the Bible says, instead of selectively taking tiny bits out of context, then he would have to become a Christian, like he said.  But his goal was to spread the propaganda of Islam, not be real with the undeniable claims and actions of Jesus Christ that He used to reveal His deity.  There are answers for all the choice pieces of Scripture he took out of context on my website, if you care to read the whole page that answers all these questions.  These links show that Jesus did proclaim deity, which the speaker denies.]
 
  1. The biggest sin is not what he said - the only unpardonable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit!  (See Acts chapter 5, two people died just lying to the Holy Spirit, who is also called God.) http://www.truthandlife.us/Islamic_Queries-Dissent.html#JIBRAEL_IS_THE_HOLY_SPIRIT
 
  1. Eli or Eloi equal Allah?  Allow me to point out here, the typical and incredible hypocrisy that is within Islamic argumentation.  Out of one side of their mouth a Muslim says Jesus never died on the cross, as supposedly God switch His face with Judas’ face and it was Judas who was crucified instead of Jesus.  Then, out of the other side of his mouth a Muslim will say when Jesus was on the cross the second to last thing he said just before He died was Allah, Allah???  You can’t have it both ways.  The problem is that within Islamic apologetics there has been so much invention of stories (lies) that are contrary to the historical truth that it is impossible to keep the stories all straight, because even these stories often contradict each other.  It is especially sad when an Islamic “scholar” gets up in front of thousands of people and dogmatically says such things and all the sheeple nod their heads, smile, clap and agree so joyously.
 
Eloi is one Hebrew word for god. Eli (or El) is one Aramaic word for god. The ancient word El or Eloi or Elohim all refer to god(s).  Ancient societies in the Palestine area had monuments to the Unknown God, referring to the God of the Hebrews or the God of Abraham, El.  Jesus was quoting the opening verse of Psalms 22 in the Hebrew language in which it was original written. The Hebrew word for "god" is "eli" (most often used in the plural form "elohim".  That’s right, many times in the Old Testament God Almighty was referred to in the plural form, which simple confirms Genesis 1:26 all the more!). 
 
He is correct that Jesus did not say the word "god", as the English language and the word "god" would not come into existence for another 1200 years. He did, however, use the Hebrew word that means the same as the English word "god". He was not using the name Allah, as it would not be invented for another 600 years, and in the Arabic, rather than the Hebrew language.
 
To try to take a word, in one language, which happens to sound similar to a word, in another language, and make them mean the same thing is a fallacy. Thus, "Eli" and "Allah" are not the same word that was used, and his claim is inaccurate/false.
 
  1. Prayer, alms and hajj, fasting is the way to Righteousness
The New Testament is clear that if we could be saved by our own works, Christ would have died for nothing.  Muslims believe that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ):  This means the King-Deliverer or Savior.  Save from what?  God said it was our sin.  The Jewish religious leaders rejected Jesus and had Him killed for blaspheme, on the basis that He claimed to be God, not merely because they rejected Him as their king (Matthew 26:63-66).  The Jews understood Jesus claimed to be God, the Son, and killed Him for it, which the facts of historical documentation overwhelmingly verify.
 
Therefore, a true Christian, following what the Bible actually teaches, can only have salvation through the innocent and pure blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, who died on the cross for their sins, in place of them, because this is the penalty that sin requires from all of us and we cannot pay ourselves, because we are contaminated with sin.  Thus, a true Christian does not rely on their religious “good” works or acts of religious faithfulness to be forgiven and accepted into Heaven by God. 
 
The Bible makes it clear that God is interested in a pure heart, and a person can wash their outside all they want to (like before prayer), but if their heart is not right with God, it is still offensive to God.  It was mentioned that all the prophets fell on their face to pray.  Sometimes they did and sometimes they did not, but this conveniently left out.
 
The outward things were on to be symbols of what was supposed to be happening inwardly.  Unfortunately, many people are real good at doing the outward things, while they forget or entirely neglect the inward part that God is really looking at.  Instructing people to do the outward things, without showing them how they can truly be right inwardly before God leads souls to ruin.  Those who are not under the saving blood of Jesus can never be right before God and they are wasting their time playing religious games, while they insure they doom (Hebrews 10:26-31 & Revelation 20:11-15).
 
  1. Behavioral Issues: eating, drinking clothing etc.  Some of these things he stated correctly some he did not, selecting his position out of context with the Bible verses he would quote.  However, for the sake of time and staying to the real point of it all, it is better to simply point out that what a Christian does is to follow and obey Christ and the apostle’s teachings, once they have made committed their life to Him, to the best they can.  Yet, this has nothing to do with them acquiring their salvation.  These are works out of gratitude and service to God, once saved.  Again, this is a huge positional difference between genuine Christianity and all other religion, including those carrying the Christian name.
 
  1. What about all the other religious books, especially those that might mention Muhammad?  It was humorous to hear the “scholar” say they might have been inspired by God for that time, but abrogation with the Qur’an and Muhammad make that the final answer.  First, what about all the serious contradictions and idol worship in the other religious books?  Second, the Bible put in safeguards to know what was true and what was false, if someone would come along afterward and claim to have an all authoritative message from God, which “Jibrael” did not pass (Deuteronomy 17:6, 1 John 4:1-3, Galatians 1:8, Jude 3 and Revelation 22:18-19).
As far as the science issues in the Qur’an, the Bible had already mentioned most, if not all, of them long before, and it appears that many of them may have been plagiarized.  http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html 


  

Why You Are Not A Muslim?

 

First, and foremost, I am submitted to God on His terms.  I have met the eternal Creator, and the Lord Jesus Christ personally in a very real spiritual encounter and He forgave me of my sins. Christ lives in me and His life giving Spirit has transformed my dead spirit to life and made me a new creature in Him.  This type of spiritual conversion imparts a confidence that goes beyond all human arguments.  Yet, there are many rational proofs the mind can understand to confirm its reality.

 

Why am I not a Muslim?  Is not Islam is based entirely upon the testimony of a single spirit that called itself "Jibrael"?  How do we really know that "Jibrael" was sent from God and not just a very clever, deceiving jinn?  Did he show or leave any credentials to prove who he really was?  The obvious answer is no, so we don't absolutely know who this "Jibrael" truly was.

 

But, fortunately God gave us some clear instructions and tests to provide protection, so that we can know the difference between a true messenger from Him and a false spirit sent from the devil (Satan).  For it is written: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” – 1 John 4:1.

 

Even the prophets in the books of Holy Scripture gave us a strong warning and guideline for protection, so that we would not to be deceived by the jinn, But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be (divinely) accursed” (Galatians 1:8) and “contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3). These things were written long ago to protect those truly seeking God from the current and future false prophecies and teachings that God knew the devil would introduce to deceive mankind, nearly 600 years before a spirit calling itself “Jibrael” introduced his message to humanity.

 

It was the prophet and Law giver, Moses, who proclaimed, “on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed” – Deuteronomy 17:6.  One witness is not sufficient to establish or judge a matter or person by - Deuteronomy 19:15The Bible testifies to the accuracy of the prophets and the patriarchs with over 40 separate witnesses who all spoke and wrote to the same message about Isa (Jesus Christ), the Messiah, who would come to save mankind by suffering and dying for our sins.  Further, their consistent corporate testimony was confirmed with God’s divine stamp of approval by signs, miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit, which irrevocably establishes that their witness was from God. 

 

The Qur’an has but one witness, a spirit identifying itself as “Jibrael” (“Gabriel”).  How is the contradictory witness of one spirit being put above the combined witness of over 40 verified God fearing testimonies of the great ancient prophets and patriarchs that all agreed and have God’s divine stamp of approval, even though this single testimony for one spirit violates the Law of God given through Moses?

 

The clear answer is both sad and simple, no one in Islam has been willing to put the spirit calling itself "Jibrael" to the honest scriptural test!  Probably because if this were to be done, according to God's Law, Islam would disintegrate and be no more, and this would be too hard to take emotionally for so many who have based their entire life and hope upon the words of this one solitary spirit.

 

But, which is worse, dying with vain hope in a falsehood, condemning your soul to an eternal hell, or waking up to the truth and preserving your soul by becoming right with God before you die?  Unfortunately, Satan uses the human weaknesses of pride and fear to keep people in bondage to him, because most people will not accept that they could actually be that wrong.  Yet, a few will overcome this problem and be saved.

 

As for those, both inside and outside of Christianity who follow the idea that the book of Revelation is "filled with dragons, unicorns, and other mythical creatures. From all the books in the Bible, it should be taken the lease serious, Wallahu A3lam", Jesus Christ left this severe warning: “I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book” (Revelation 22:18-19)So, be very careful who you choose to listen to my friend!

 

The Dajjal will be revealing himself very soon (I strongly believe well before 2015) with his seven year peace covenant.  So, even if you cannot hear these words pointing you to the truth now, you hopefully will have a second chance once you see the great economic collapse and a world war begin shortly afterward, with the Dajjal providing the "solution" with his peace proposal.  If you won't wake up even at that point, then you will be in great trouble, for God will tolerate such disobedience to His truth for only so long.  As it is written, "Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth" - 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12

 

You see, it would follow logically that if this "Jibrael" was indeed a jinn, he would have lied to set people up to follow the Dajjal as well, which is precisely what the ancient prophets of God have warned will happen.

 

May God bless you in your journey to find the truth!  TJ


  

Response To "Watch Out For Satan’s Tricky Dajjal (Antichrist)".

I must respond and say that as Muslims, we only take from Qur’an and Sunnah. Everything from the previous books we do not believe if it if it contradicts what Allah and his Messenger revealed. We have detailed Ahadeeth about how the Dajjal will appear and under what circumstance. It is clear from Ahadeeth that the Dajjal will appear after the Madhi:

"The appearance of the Mahdi, who will appear before the Dajjal and before the descent of ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This is indicated by the hadeeth of Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “ ‘Eesa ibn Maryam will come down and their leader the Mahdi will say to him: ‘Come and lead us in prayer.’ But he will say: ‘No, one of them should lead the others in prayer, as a sign of honor from Allaah to this ummah.’: Narrated by al-Haarith ibn Abi Usaamah in his Musnad. And Ibn al-Qayyim said in al-Manaar al-Muneef (1/147): its isnaad is jayyid. The hadeeth is narrated with a mawsool isnaad in Saheeh Muslim, without naming their leader. Muslim’s report says: “… ‘And ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) will come down and their leader will say to him: ‘Come and lead us in prayer.’ But he will say: ‘No, one of them should lead the others in prayer, as a sign of honor from Allaah to this ummah.’” Narrated by Muslim, 225. So ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) will follow the Mahdi in prayer, which indicates that the Mahdi will appear before ‘Eesa, and ‘Eesa will kill the Dajjal, which indicates that the Dajjal will appear during the time of the Mahdi."

Source: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/43840/

Furthermore, the specific book known as Revelations was something a man dreamt after the Prophet of Esa (a.s) according to the Christian sources. It filled with dragons, unicorns, and other mythical creatures. From all the books in the Bible, it should be taken the lease serious, Wallahu
 

First, it must be pointed out that the Bible's prophets fill in much more detail than what the Islamic writings give us.  The biblical prophet's words have been ignored by Muslims because they were believed to have been lost or corrupted.  However, since the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls, we now know that their prophecies were very well preserved and not corrupted, as has been claimed.  Thus, when we see contradictions the words of the ancient biblical prophets over rule anything coming from Islam, simple because the singular testimony of the one spirit, "Jibrael" cannot be established over the corporate testimony of all the other prophets of God according to the Law of God, which states that every fact MUST be established by the mouth of two or three witnesses.  No one who has looked at the Qur'an honestly doubts it had a supernatural origin, but their are two sides to the supernatural and Lucifer (Satan) is a very brilliant and powerful fallen angel.


Therefore, it must be pointed out that if it is true that the spirit identifying itself as “Jibrael” is indeed a jinn (demon), which the Law of God and the test for prophecy indicates, then the follow-up information about the Antichrist within Islam would be distorted as well.  According to everything written down by the biblical prophets, al-Dajjal (the Antichrist) is really going to disguise himself as the Islamic Mahdi (as well as the Christian “Christ”, the Hindu Avatar, the final Buddha, etc.), so that Islam and the rest of the world will be fooled by him, because they won’t be looking for him or seeing him as he truly is.  This really fits quite well, as the biblical Jesus Christ was grossly distorted by this "Jibrael" spirit as well.


Learn as much about both viewpoints as possible, then see who is really telling the truth as it all unfolds within the next few years.  By the way, the biblical prophets have yet to miss (they have been 100% accurate), not bad for a book that was supposed to have been “altered” and “corrupted”.  You may refresh your understanding of the prophets' words on the "Informational Articles" page or the " Prophecy 101: The Basics" page.  Yet, if you want all the information about the prophets' end time words then you should get my book and read it, "The Revelation Unveiled!".


 
Islam Is The True Religion

 

For the sake of the argument, let's just say you are right on this one for a moment.  Nevertheless, even the truest "religion" does not equal a right relationship with God.  This is why not even one million good works can remove the stain and destructive corruption off our souls from even the smallest single sin we commit. For it is written: "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all" - James 2:10 and "For the wages of sin is death" - Romans 6:23 (meaning each sin we commit earns us the death penalty) and "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast" - Ephesians 2:8-9.  For God alone will receive all the glory and no man will glory before the Almighty and Holy Creator, God.  This is why all human deeds are condemned before God at the final judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).


There is only one supernatural solvent that cleans sin off our soul, the blood of Jesus Christ shed for us on the cross.  Our sin separates us from our Holy Creator, God, who cannot tolerate even the smallest sin, and it condemns us to an eternal hell (the lake of fire where all sin will be contained, separated from God forever). 

So the question is, how do we get sin off our soul to be able to live with God in Heaven?

 

God had to come in the human form of Jesus and die for us, because all sin requires the death penalty. Someone has to pay the price for our sin, which for us (the guilty) is an eternity in the lake of fire (also known as the second death), if we pay for it ourselves.  However, God knew that an alternate payment could be made by sacrificing a perfect innocent person for those guilty of sin.  So, God came Himself, in the form of the Son, Jesus Christ, to die for us, to pay the price to set us free from certain eternal damnation, which we could never escape on our own.  This is why Jesus said, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."- John 3:16 and "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." - John 8:24 and "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.'" - John 14:6 and "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies" - John 11:25

 

This is how I became free and now have eternal life, because I have believed in and accepted Jesus Christ's payment for my sin and been made righteous through Him.  I acknowledge I was a sinner, I repented of my sin and asked His forgiveness and surrendered my life to Him as my Lord and Savior.  In that moment, Jesus came to me supernaturally in the Spirit and told me He loved me and He forgave me.  I wept tears of joy, because I knew I had been set free of all my sinful guilt and shame, as well as found the true love I had always desired to know.

 

He waits for you even now, for He does not wish for any to perish, but you must soften your heart toward Him, acknowledge your sin (along with your helpless state to resolve your sin problem) and ask His forgiveness.

May God greatly bless you my friend, TJ.

  

Like Prophet Suleiman And Many Other Prophets, Isa (Jesus) Was Granted Special Abilities But None Of The Abilities Made Him God, It Is The One Who Granted Him These Abilities That Is God.

 

Even if the reports of these miracles done by these prophets could be verified as authentically from God, they would still not equal the works Jesus did, which surpasses everything that has been recorded within Islam for the past 1400 years.  But further, this line of thinking still does not answer the glaring problem that the Jews KNEW Jesus was claiming to be God and picked up stones (more than once) with the idea of killing Jesus for “blasphemy” (i.e. John 8:56-59 and John 10:30-33).  Jesus never corrected their perception about Him over what He was saying to them, which if they had been mistaken and Jesus was only a prophet, He would of had a duty to correct them.  Plus, they would not have hated Him so much and life would have been a whole lot easier for Jesus, if He had just told them it was all a big misunderstanding, because He was not saying that.  But it did not go down that way.  Thus, the facts of history refute the lies that where concocted after Jesus physically ascended into heaven in His new resurrected body..

 

Nevertheless, Jesus completely allowed them to fully understand His meaning.  For even at His final trial before the highest Jewish religious council, the High Priest Chiapas and Jesus exchanged these very words.

 

62The high priest stood up and said to Him, "Do You not answer? What is it that these men are testifying against You?"

 63But Jesus kept silent And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God."

 64Jesus said to him, "(F)You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see (G)THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and (H)COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

 65Then the high priest (I)tore his robes and said, "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy;

 66"what do you think?" They answered, "He deserves death!" - Matthew 26:62-66


If there was ever a time to speak up and correct a “mere misunderstanding” that would have been it. But, instead Jesus confirms that their comprehension was right!

 
A common Misconception That Muslims Have


Please, allow me to clear up one very common misconception Muslims have.  Most Muslims do not understand that THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT MOST OF THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIANS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO HELL!  Therefore, when they listen to a random "Christian" say stupid things or speak disrespectfully about the Bible, Muslims are not getting a real picture of a true Christian or real facts about the Bible.  The majority of those in Christendom do not even know what the Bible actually says, nor do they truly believe the Bible is God's authoritative word.  This is convenient for a Muslim, because it confirms much of what they have been trained from birth to believe about ALL Christians.

 

But, let me ask two questions.  If someone following the religion of Islam denies that the Qur'an is God's word, is that person really a Muslim by definition? (No.)  Also, if a person says they are a Muslim, but they completely ignore and disobey the commands in the Qur'an all their life, giving it no real value to the Qur'an, would you still call them a sincere or genuine Muslim?  (No.)

 

Then, why do Muslims constantly go to apostate, unbelieving, disobedient people who openly reject biblical Christianity, as if they were some kind of reliable source, for the so-called "proof" that "Christians" don't believe or obey the Bible?  Would you accept my "proof" from a man that was born into the Muslim culture, yet had lived like a secular devil his whole life?  (Obviously not.)  Or would you accept a liberal Muslim Scholar or Imam that who distorted verifiable history and/or contextual facts concerning the Qur'an, as my "proof". (Again, obviously not.)  


So, why do almost all Muslims have a clear double standard when it comes to using all these false "Christians", from which to build their phony straw-man arguments?  Contentions that are easily refuted when all the facts are presented?  I have a theory - if Muslims had the truth, they would not need to use or hide behind that which is obviously false.  The truth hurts sometimes, but sincere seekers of God will take this to heart and change the way the look for truth. The pretenders will just find more excuses and false arguments to attack God's word and continue in their defiant deception until they face God at The Judgment and can no longer get away with it.


  

Isa, Didn’t Bring Any New Book He Obeyed The Laws Of Moses

Jesus answered this very objection when He said that He had come to FULFILL the Law and the prophets, not abolish them (Matthew 5:17). Jesus also said that He was establishing a NEW COVENANT through His blood.

For it is written: And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me." And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood. (Luke 22:19-20) 

Likewise, the entire book of Hebrews in the New Testament argues this very point to the Jewish people!

 
   

Isa (Jesus) In John Told The People That After Him Will Come Another, He Will Be Called The Comforter And In HEBREW NOT GREEK Because As We Know Isa Didn’t Speak GREEK Isa Was A JEW.  Anyway, In HEBREW The Word Comforter Translates To Ahmed. Ahmed, Hamoodie And Muhammad Are All The Same Name.

 

I realize that you were likely just repeating an argument that you trusted, without ever really carefully investigating it for yourself.  The passage you are referring to in found in John chapter 14.  Let’s take a look at it, because Jesus says several very profound and revealing things in this passage.

 

"Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.  "And you know the way where I am going." Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip?  He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

"Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves. "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father. "Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. "If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 


John 14:16-26 tells us, 16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. 18"I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19"After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also. 20"In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21"He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him." 22Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?" 23Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me. 25"These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. 26"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.


First, Jesus (in the context) made it very clear that the Helper was literally the Holy Spirit, not Muhammad, as some false source, in a terribly dishonest attempt to massage the Hebrew language out of context, has lead you and others to believe. Second, very interestingly this is the same passage I have already sited several proofs about Jesus to you from (i.e. He is the only way to the Father in heaven, not just “a way”; Jesus is one with the Father; if you have seen Jesus, you have seen the Father {that’s not “rig-a-ma-role”, it’s either true or absolute blasphemy}; if you don’t believe Jesus words, then look at His awesome works for proof; and finally, the Father, Jesus (the Son) and the Holy Spirit (GOD as well) are all promised to indwell the true believer in Jesus Christ).  That’s probably a lot for you to take in all at once, but there it is. 

 

You see, once we surrender our life to Jesus in repentance for our sin and ask Him to forgive us by His blood sacrifice for us, God (the Father, Jesus, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) makes us His child (John 1:12), by adopting us and confirming it through the witness and seal of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:15-17, Ephesians 1:13-14 and 1 John 5:10-13)!  

 

If this sounds rather fantastic and unbelievable to you, I understand.  However, I do know it is true, because God’s Holy Spirit testified to my spirit that I was truly His a little over 30 years ago when I surrendered my life to Him.  This is why I have assurance of my salvation and why I know beyond all doubt that I will be in Heaven when I die.  Jesus imparts to us His righteousness and cleanses all our sin from us by the power of His precious blood that was poured out for us in the new covenant He offers to all who will come to Him.

 

Sincerely pray to Him my friend and do what I did, surrender your life to Jesus and ask Him to forgive you of your sins.  Test the biblical Jesus and see if He is true.  If I am a liar you have nothing to fear (just ask God to protect you from anything false).  However, because the Bible speaks the truth, you have everything to gain!

 

Perhaps, there is one other thing I should clarify here for you.  It is written, “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord – Romans 6:23. 

 

Our sin (i.e. lying, stealing, not putting God first all the time, coveting what others have, lusting, etc.) are all very serious offenses we have committed against our Holy Creator. Each sin earns us the death penalty for our soul!  Imagine how many death sentences we have accumulated for ourselves in a life time.

 

The sin contaminating our soul is like a thick, black, tarry, malignant cancerous ooze that is ever growing, devouring and destroying our body.  Our good works and religious rituals are like tiny drops of water that are easily repelled, they cannot even begin to remove sin from us.  We are in a hopeless and helpless state as far as anything we can do on our own. 

 

But that is the bad news; the good news (the gospel) is that Jesus’ blood is the perfect, righteous solvent to completely dissolve all the sin off of our soul.  The blood He shed for us on the cross is so powerful it can forgive and cleanse every sin in the world (John 3:16). Sadly though, even though it is available for everyone as a free gift, most won’t apply it and be set free.

 

This is why the devil wants people to believe Jesus did not go to the cross for them, because he wins their soul if they never discover who Jesus really is and surrender their life to Him.  Many (actually most) people who are called Christians do know (intellectually) that Jesus died for them, but they have never truly surrendered their life to Him and been forgiven and transformed into a child of God.  Thus, most of what the world sees about Christianity is counterfeit, and not the true biblical followers of Jesus Christ.  Just because we might go into a barn, it does not make us a horse.  WS, even Jesus said that these phonies and pretenders in Christianity would go to hell, because their sins have not been paid for (Matthew 7:21-23).  All who reject Christ’s offer must pay for their own sins in Hell forever, CINO's included - Christians In Name Only, which is well over 90% of the total Christian population (John 8:24 & Revelation 20:11-15).

 

You do not have to be one of them my friend.  Again, I plead with you to sincerely pray to Jesus and do what I did, surrender your life to Him, asking Him to forgive you of your sin, come into your life to be your Lord and Savior (Messiah).  Jesus loves you WS and He is true. 

 

May you know His peace, love and joy, TJ.

  

The Dead Sea Scrolls Are Invalid Because - "Age Can Be Used To Un-Authenticate But Not To Authenticate".

 

This is an interesting “rule” that was likely invented by someone with possible good intentions, but it’s a premise that fails (falls short of) the test of legal evidence.  Further, following such "logic" would mean basically most all of our historical dates were wrong, because we would not be able to establish or "authenticate" very much of our past. The Dead Sea Scrolls were dated to be within the historical time frame of 250-400 B.C. through two separate methods.  Scientific carbon dating and the historic literary method that examined the style of writing for different periods and the type of materials used at different periods.  These two methods are solid evidence that would be allowed in a court of law to determine a time frame.  To dismiss them or throw them out, because a person likes some liberal opinion of partial exclusion, even though many more scholars would fundamentally disagree with this opinion, is not a way of seeking the truth, but a way to try to find some path around the truth.


  

Richard Elliot Friedman Says You Cannot Trust The Bible.

 

I do not believe you are not a specialist, therefore I would advice you to read the Book Titled "Who Wrote the Bible" By Richard Elliot Friedman.  This book will expose you to some of the official authentication techniques such as time bound objects, location bound objects and syntax integrity.  There are 9 other techniques that exist, but this book is good for a starter.

 

Richard Elliot Friedman does not demonstrate being a truth seeker by any stretch of the imagination. Rather, he is a self-assured excuse maker, which is very typical for liberal, pseudo-scholarly behavior.  Any facts that could possibly get in the way of his conjectures (beliefs) are completely ignored or conveniently dismissed as unimportant.  Many Christian and Jewish scholars have soundly refuted his conclusions and marked out his deliberate bias.  Here is one link to show you an idea of what I mean if you wish to see the reality behind your source:  (http://www.dovidgottlieb.com/comments/Who_Wrote_The_Bible.htm).

Further, Jesus stated clearly that the Torah was from Moses, Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” – John 5:45-47. Are you now willing to call Jesus ignorant, confused or misguided, because that is what Richard Elliot Friedman apparently believes?

  

The Bible Was Not Translated Correctly, From The Hebrew and Aramaic.

 

In simple terms, Muslims believe in the original Text is Hebrew and Aramaic.  Since the Aramaic is no where to be found and since God's word should not be lost, this is a clear indication that what you have in hand is not God's word, It's the word of type 4 and type 5 scribes (Greek, Syriac, and Coptic translations).

 

In The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict, Josh McDowell documents why and how the Old Testament is reliable, from textual transmission, quality of the manuscripts, verifiable history, the Dead Sea Scrolls, archaeological  discoveries and historic confirmations, along with non-Hebrew manuscript evidence.  In a legal courtroom with an unbiased jury, your argument would be but a tiny feather on the scales of evidence that would quickly fly up into the air, when the bricks of historic truth hit the other side of the scales.  If you wish to honestly examine the mountain of evidence for yourself and begin to get a handle on exactly what rational contextual criticism looks like, then I suggest you pick of a copy of McDowell’s book or visit his website at Josh.org. 


  

The Law Can Not Be Counted On As An Authentic Text Because Of Its Past Corruptions. Educate Yourself.

 

Your argument fails by contradiction, because even the Qur’an says we should heed the Torah (Surah 5:43-47).  Thus, the only logical claim that followers of Islam had was to say that the corruption had happened after 600 A.D.  There are many reasons why this was never true, but one of the best was discovered not that long ago - the Dead Sea Scrolls, found within the last 70 years, authenticated that the Torah and the prophets had not been changed.  This is an old worn out argument that no one who is educated, even attempts to raise as an objection any longer, because they would be embarrassed by doing so.


  

I CAN NOT TRUST A TEXT Which Establishes That Lot Had Sex With His Daughters, David Committed Adultery, God Wrested With Jacob And Lost Or Claims That God Was Tempted By The Devil.  Should I Go On?

 

For anyone who might consider this answer to be a bit outrageous, they simply need to see Jesus answer to the self-righteous, religious hypocrites in His day (Matthew 23).

 

You can "go on" all you want.  However, you should first examine the depths of your own gross hypocrisy, because if Muslims applied even a tenth of the same introspection and criticism to the writings of Islam, it would have died out before 700 A.D.!

 

Allow me to point out just a small sampling of the Islamic hypocrisy concerning this.  The Qur'an tells us that the only proper way for a man to release his sexual desires is within marriage or his harem. Therefore, a man is forbidden to self stimulate to relieve his desires. Although masturbation is shameful and wrong, it is far less a violation of the human conscience (God's written law on our hearts about right and wrong, like the Ten Commandments - Romans 2:15) than that which is "permissible" via the Qur'an.  

 

For instance, a Muslim may attack any neighbor he believes to be an infidel, murder him, take his possessions, and take the victim's wife and daughters as plunder for himself, put them in his harem and "use" (or repeatedly rape) them as often as he wishes to satisfy his lustful desires, and supposedly he has done nothing wrong before men and God, because the spirit (jinn) "Jibrael" told Muhammad it was okay to do these heinous crimes against his fellow man!  Just as long as the victims are considered "infidels" to the offending Muslim, all is "permissible" and it somehow does not count with Allah, or offend him in the least! 

 

This is but one of many clear evidences that Allah is not the same HOLY God of the Bible (Jehovah), who sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die for the sins of this wretched world, because God knew we could NEVER be holy enough on our own.  Islamic history does not deny that Muhammad murdered, stole and enslaved his fellow man in the name of Allah.  Further, for those who don't live in a cave, it is common knowledge that this very sort of thing is still practiced in the Middle East and North Africa among the rich and powerful Muslims.  Although, some of the rich prefer to just buy beautiful women for their harem from the illegal slave traders, instead of openly committing murder for them.

 

Also, there is reality of Shariah Law, which is based upon the Qur'an, Hadith and the culture, or lifestyle, that developed from Muhammad and the Caliph in the early days of Islam.  One hardly knows were to begin with some of the unconscionable acts against humanity that are "permissible" where Shariah Law is practiced.  Under Shariah Law a woman that is raped has no real recourse for justice, because all the wicked man has to do is claim she provoked his lust in some minor manner and his word is accepted over the woman's word.  Then, under the law, since she "had sex" with the man and she was not married to him, she is counted as an adulteress and executed (murdered), even though she was truly innocent of any wrongdoing!  One must wonder how many innocent women have been brutally raped by Muslim men and they never dared to expose them for their crimes, because they knew they would be killed under the "wonderful" system of Islamic law.

 

Then, there is the so-called "honor" killings (see video and links below for the proof of this in the Qur’an), where a family member (usually a man) may kill another family member (usually a woman) for something as minor as not wearing a "proper" head covering! Should I go on...?  Read Matthew 23, Jesus blasted the same type of religious hypocrisy in His day and He would not have had any less of an opinion about Shariah Law either!  You grow your beard, abstain from pork, pray five times a day, etc., to be good at all the little things, but you neglect true justice and mercy, while you slaughter the innocent in the name of your religion.  And then you somehow have the audacity to be hopeful that the Holy, Almighty Creator will have mercy on you in the day of judgment? Jesus made it clear, all who trust in their deeds, along with all the hypocrites and liars will have their place in the lake of eternal fire (Hell) Revelation 20:11-15 & 21:8. 

 

Unlike the Qur'an, the Bible is brutally honest about the sinful failings of humanity before a holy God (i.e. Lot & David), which gives credibility to its divinely inspired authenticity, because when humans write about such things they gloss everything over, hiding the ugly parts, or justify sin by saying that certain rather obvious sins are now somehow conveniently  "permissible". 

 

The Bible teaches us that God is the only one who is perfect and all of mankind is sinful. David and Lot were counted righteous by God because they, like Abraham, trusted in God’s ability to make them righteous by faith in the Messiah (Savior) that was yet to come.  This is why our deeds (even all the good ones) will not help us, or be counted for us, to obtain any mercy from God at the final Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).  To say that David and Lot's sin is more evil, or too evil, completely shows a misunderstanding concerning the holiness of God. Because to God, all sin is utterly abhorrent and all humans are irreversibly diseased with it apart from the Messianic solution (John 3:36).

 

God is able to appear in any form He chooses and act however He wants, but the natural mind is too dull to understand this.  Being tempted is nothing, but giving into the temptation would be sin and that would require death.  God is perfect, trying to tempt Him will not work, but the devil thought he would take a shot at it anyway, hoping he might get lucky.  Nevertheless, God allowed it to demonstrate Jesus Christ’s perfection to all, because there are always doubters who would say, "what is not tested is not proven". 

 

When God wrestled with Jacob, Jacob did not exactly win.  God let it last through the night to test Jacob’s resolve. But, in the end, God touched Jacob’s thigh and Jacob walked with a limp for the rest of his life. When God said Jacob had “won”, He was referring to Jacob’s resolve and his clinging to God, to not let go unless he had been blessed by God.  This too was allowed by God, obviously, and it related the plans God had for Jacob. Much of Islam presents the false Idea that God does not interact with His creation on this type of level, but this does not come from history.  God interacted with the first created man and woman in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3) and God interacted with Abraham and ate with him (Genesis 18).  It’s time to realize that there is more to God than the comfortable, tiny box Islam has taught people put Him in.


Honour Killings supported in the Qur'an


(Qur'an – Surah 18:65-81, most specifically Surah 18:74, 79-80)


Death, murder, slaughter, humiliation, etc. of non-Muslims is taught throughout the Qur'an as well.

http://www.letusreason.org/islam12.htm

 

http://www.newwave.net/~haught/Koran.html


  

Questions And Objections From Faizan:

 

Dear TJ, as Muslims we believe that Jesus is the son of Mary, not God, nor the son of God. Let me ask you a series of questions?  Faizan


1.
Is God Self Sufficient: That He Doesn't Need Anything But His Creation Is Completely Dependent On Him?


If Yes, then Jesus cannot be God because he ate, he slept, he got tired, and He prayed to God on several occasions for help, comfort, and peace. Like in the garden of Gethsemane.

 

The Bible tells us that God and His word is not something the natural mind can hope to understand.  Yes, God is certainly self-sufficient.  However, He chose to humble Himself and take on human flesh to both reveal Himself more fully to us and provide a means of redemption for us in our hopeless sinful state.  For it is written: "Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him. Philip said to Him, 'Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.' Jesus said to him, Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" - John 14:6-9 and "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." - John 3:16.

 

Faizen, God is an almighty, multi-dimensional Spirit, who can manifest Himself in different forms in a multiplicity of ways, so we cannot lock Him up in our tiny human (naturalistic) boxes, by deciding He must be stuck in another dimension, sitting on a throne, like some old man that can't even stand up.  It might help a little to think of God as something like water (or H2O) on this planet.  Water can take on the form of a gas (like clouds, steam or vapor), liquid (like water - under or above ground, running or still, in large oceans or small puddles), or a solid (like ice - in your freezer or at one of the earth's poles), but it is still H2O all the same, regardless of all the different forms and places it exists in.  So it is with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.  God is still ONE, yet He is three as well.  That is why it is written in the Torah, "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." - Genesis 1:26.  God speaks of Himself in the plural form in one sentence (3 times) during the creation of man!


2. Does It Make Sense For God To Pray To Himself?
Does it really make sense that when Jesus prays to God that he is actually praying to himself to help himself get out of situations?  Was his prayers "Our I who art in heaven hollowed by my name" or was the prayer "Our Father who art in Heaven hallowed be thy name"?

 

It makes sense when you understand that Jesus, the Son, was modeling to us the relationship we are to have with the Father.  Your quote was from a passage in Matthew chapter 6 where Jesus was teaching His disciples how to pray. For it is written: "But as many as received Him (Jesus), to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name" - John 1:12


3. Does God Die Or Is He Everlasting?
As Christians believe that Jesus died and he is God, thus does God die? The answer is no God does not die he is eternal and everlasting but Jesus died thus he is not God.

 

God allowed the human body to be killed that He had temporarily inhabited, when Jesus was crucified on the cross.  However, the eternal Spirit of Jesus never died, just as we will not die (cease to exist) once we leave our body. All the physical realm we understand is simply a created dimension, which is now here for us to temporarily exist within, while we chose our eternal future, to be with our Holy God in Heaven, on God’s strict terms through the blood of Christ.  Unless we choose to be separated from Him forever, because we rejected His payment for our sin (sin’s contaminating evil will not be allowed into Heaven, because of its destructive power and horrible nature, which it infects everything it touches).


To put it another way, when your body dies are you really dead?  No, the real you is in the spirit.  It was no different with God, the Son, who took on human flesh through the 
miraculous virgin birth.  He used His sinless body to become the sacrifice for us, because sin requires death.  Jesus died in our place, taking our sins upon Himself, so that we might have a way back to God, the Father, because our sins keep us separated from God, because He is holy.  But Jesus' blood sacrifice paid our sin debt, freeing all who would believe on Him, the Messiah (Lord and Savior) of humanity.  Jesus' spirit was never dead, only His body, which was given for us.  The Father demonstrated that Jesus sacrifice was acceptable when He raised Jesus physically, back from the dead, giving Him a new super body that could operate in both the natural and supernatural realms, yet still bearing the marks of the crucifixion to show the authenticity of what Jesus did, because of God's love for us, so that we could receive His mercy and be forgiven.


4. Jesus Never Claimed To Be God

 

Again, Jesus did say He was God many different ways, which the Jews He was speaking to had no problem understanding His very clear meaning. In John 8:24 and John 8:56-59, Jesus makes Himself clear, but in John 10:30-33 the Jews stated Jesus' meaning very openly, "I and the Father are one". The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"  The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God". 

 

What else could Jesus have meant, when He told Phillip, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?”- John 14:9?

 

In Mark chapter two, Jesus forgave sins and look what happened, "And Jesus seeing their faith said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven." But some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts,  "Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming; who can forgive sins but God alone?" Immediately Jesus, aware in His spirit that they were reasoning that way within themselves, said to them, "Why are you reasoning about these things in your hearts? "Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, 'Your sins are forgiven'; or to say, 'Get up, and pick up your pallet and walk'? "But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins"--He said to the paralytic, "I say to you, get up, pick up your pallet and go home." And he got up and immediately picked up the pallet and went out in the sight of everyone, so that they were all amazed and were glorifying God, saying, "We have never seen anything like this". - Mark 2:5-12

 

Faizan, it is not even remotely honest to say, I will not believe in God unless He phrases His words exactly the way I think He ought to.  That is nothing less than pure arrogance my friend, and you would do well to repent of it.


5. Many People Are Called Sons Of God In The Bible So Does That Mean That All Of Them Are God?  Throughout the Bible there are many references to other people who are called the son of God. This term means someone who is close to God that people around that person call them out of respect "son of God". Even David is told by God that "today I have begotten you". Does that mean that all these people are actually children of God? Or That Jesus and David are both Begotten sons of God? So the verse you quoted from Matthew makes sense that his disciples assumed that he was a son of God like all these other people.

 

Concerning Psalm 2, containing written by King David, it is clearly a prophetic psalm speaking to the Messiah’s conquering the kings of the earth in His return.  To attempt to say that David was writing about himself reveals very pour scholarship at best.

 

As for the rest, Hebrews 1:1-8 deals with this bad argument.  For it is written:

"1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in (and through) the prophets in many portions and in many ways,  2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power when He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. 5For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?   6And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM." 7And of the angels He says, "WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE."   8But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM".


7. Does God Have Animal Instincts And Desires That He Begotten A Son?
The unknown writer of John declares that God so loved the world he sent his only begotten son. Now, God does not beget nor was he begotten, which is clearly stated in the Quran God's final revelations. You see animals beget sons and daughters do you know the definition of begotten? The dictionary says begotten a verb "(especially of a male parent) to
procreate or generate (offspring)." God is does not procreate he is not an animal he is the divine and all Mighty thus he cannot have begotten a son.

 

God (the Creator of every atom in the entire universe) supernaturally reached down via the Holy Spirit into Mary's virgin womb and created the physical seed necessary to join to one of her eggs to make the physical body He (in the Son, Jesus) would temporarily inhabit.  There was no physical sex involved.  You really need to try and get your brain out of its tiny earthen box, because God is supernatural, not natural, like you keep trying to define Him to be, and sadly you do this in order to attempt to match everything with Jibrael’s sole and contradictory testimony, which is anything but authoritative, because it violated God’s Law.


8. Who wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?
One problem is that I don't believe that the Bible we had today is the words of God. It's a collection of stories written by different authors describing different events. Let me ask you in the court of law who would accept testimony from authors that no one knows who they are or anything about them.


Matthew who, Mark who, Luke who, John who: What were there last names isn’t that an easy question?  Do you even know there last names? But you trust there words when it comes to the relationship between you and your one Lord?

 

Apparently, you know very little about legitimate logical argumentation and legal testimony that is admissible in a court of law, because if you did, you would not offer such a ridiculous line of reasoning.  It is as absurd as me asking you if you know Jibrael’s last name and since you don’t, we can reject everything he said, merely on that basis alone.  On this one, allow me to point you to Evidence That Demands A Verdict, by Josh McDowell and Josh.org. The legal and historical reliability of the Bible is unsurpassed and without legitimate question.  Many great legal and historical scholars have stated that the biblical evidence is not only admissible, it is totally overwhelming. Intellectual dishonesty, which avoids or deliberately dismisses the undeniable facts, is the only way to attempt to get around it. Unfortunately, many people will not believe, no matter how much truth is poured out in front of them.  McDowell has debated many of the better minds of Islam and never lost, because he was converted from atheism to Christianity, when he set out to prove Christianity was all a lie and was overwhelmed by the evidence he did not want to believe.  Thus, he surrender His life to Jesus Christ and has been sharing God's redemptive love ever since.

 

9. If You Know About The Jewish Tradition In Translation Then Why Do You Tell Others That God's Name Is Jehovah?

I AM WHO I AM, YHWY, or Jehovah - what are you getting at here?  You are knit picking at fleas, while ignoring the camel.  This is no different than saying you won't believe in Jesus Christ, because He did not say He was God the way you decided He should, as if you know better than God Himself. 

 

10. The second verse you quoted I'm sorry maybe it's just me but that verse makes no sense. Again I'm sorry it's probably me but really I have no idea what it's talking about. Also do you know who wrote Hebrews? Can you tell me his last name?

 

There you go again with ridiculous assertions.  Do you know Jibrael’s last name?  Do you have his credentials to show me?  What language did Jibrael speak?  None of these things matter!  It is no surprise that you would say that you don't understand, even when it is very obvious.  For it is written:

 

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised" - 1 Corinthians 2:12-14.


11. Also Revelation really doesn't make any sense what-so-ever. There is no structure to that verse and again it's probably just me but that is not clear to me what you are trying to say with it.

 

That is unfortunate, because Revelation 20:11-15 is the final judgment of all souls in the spiritual realm when everything physical (all heaven and earth) has been removed by God. All who trust in their deeds will be deeply disappointed, for our deeds (good and bad) are all contaminated with sin, and thus, all the people hoping in the false idea that they are basically a good person will be thrown into the fire for eternity, because they rejected God's blood sacrifice for their sins and God Himself, as truly being their Lord and Savior.  Those who trust Jesus Christ's sacrifice and payment for their sins will have their name in the book of life and get to go to heaven to be with God forever.  It is just that simple Faizan.

 

12. Anyone who believes in multiple God or that God had a son believes in polytheism. They worship others then the one God of the heavens and the earth. I'm great full that you showed me some verses in the Bible that in your opinion validate your belief.

 

No, it is not polytheism.  It is the knowledge revealed by God about Himself, which states He is three in ONE. I hope the explanations made here has enlightened you to the real supernatural God who made us and to understand who we are accountable to at judgment, YHWY, not Allah the upgraded moon god of Medina.


13. We'll there are some that clearly and without any doubt say that there is only One God and Jesus is the Servant of God.

From the book of Mark
"he asked, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 Jesus replied, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord.    And you must love that Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’ Clearly Jesus only worshiped and loved that God with all his heart, soul, mind, and strength, and he didn't tell people to love him in that manner or that the most important commandment is that I will die on the cross for you sins.

 

Most of this I've already answered above.  Yet, Jesus did tell His disciples to love Him and obey Him. As it is written:

 

"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full. This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command you.  No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. This I command you, that you love one another" - John 15:10-17.

 

14. Mark 10:18 Jesus is so humble that when someone calls him good he says "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good - except God” You see Jesus is not God he clearly states that here. Not only that but he even says that no on is good except God

 

The context of Mark 10 clearly shows us that Jesus was challenging the man as to what he believed about Him and who he would put first.  The man did not believe Jesus to be God and showed that he loved his money more.  If you would be willing to read the verses in their context, it could improve your understanding significantly.


15. "Our Father who art in Heaven Hollowed be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom Come Thy Will Be Done" Again Jesus is only a Prophet of God which is why he says "Our Father" Instead of My Father, and they Hollowed by "Thy Name" Not my name or our name, "Thy Kingdom Come" Not my or our Kingdom come.

 

Again, the context is all about Jesus teaching/modeling for us how we should pray to the Father.  This does not cancel out His deity in any way.


16. I can go on and on. You see Jesus is a Prophet and only thought his followers to worship God alone and never thought the trinity or claimed in divinity. Rather great lairs such as Paul came later and preached a new gospel and this is what most Christians follow to this day.

 

The Apostle Paul was no lair. In fact, Paul was the one who prophetically warned us not to believe any deceiving spirit that might come along later and try to change the truth and destroy the souls of men. 

 

For it is written:

"there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed (a divine curse from God)!" - Galatians 1:7-8 

 

This "Jabrael" was exposed all the way back in the first century as a fraud, 500 years before he even showed his face!  Blessed are those who turn away from his powerfully evil deception.


17. In conclusion, I want to clarify one thing. Jibrael is an angle of God and conveyed the words of Allah (the proper name of God) to many of the Prophets. Muhammad May peace be upon him is the final prophet of Allah (God of Jesus, Moses, Abraham you and me) who came to bring people out of there ignorance and into the Light of Islam, which is to gain peace by submitting your will to the will of God. Angel Jibrael transmitted the Qur’an to Muhammad may peace be upon him in order to bring people away from nature worship, idol worship, or the worship of other men (Jesus), or their own desires and to worship God Alone.

 

Jibrael (or Gabriel) was not the jinn’s real name and it wasn't the only thing he lied about. (Do you know his last name?  Hopefully you now see just how ridiculous such arguments are?)  Jibrael's sole testimony contradicts the combined testimonies of the prophets and the patriarchs, as well as violates the law of God, given through Moses.  So, when someone quotes Jibrael, it carries no authority with those who understand the problem and the conflicting violation of the safeguards God put in place for us that form the logical basis for the rebuttal of the Islamic position.


Thus I end by inviting you to return to God alone and worship him without any partners and by doing so God will forgive you and bless you with Paradise.

 

Faizan, God's Holy Spirit indwells me and testifies to me that I am His child and by this I KNOW that I have eternal life (Romans 8:16 and 1 John 5:10-13).  You have no absolute assurance of what will happen to you at judgment, but I do KNOW I will go to heaven, because I have submitted myself to God on His terms.  If you continue to reject the truth about Jesus Christ and what He did for you, then the verses in Hebrews 10:26-31 will be very well understood by you at the judgment.  Try digesting them again and taking them to heart this time.

 

26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

 30For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY " And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."

 31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God


Faizan continues:

I'm going to challenge some of your beliefs that you stated in the last e-mail.
First and foremost, I am a Muslim and believe in Allah the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and all the other Prophets May peace be upon all of them. I don't believe in the bible it is a book full of contradictions, statements that modern science proves to be incorrect, cannot be verified that the scripture actually comes from Jesus himself.

 

I must completely disagree. There is a difference in looking for proof to determine the truth and looking for any shallow excuse to not believe the truth.  Unfortunately, you seem to favor the later because you have not even attempted to put forth any concrete evidence that might offer any credibility for the attacks you are making.  It is impossible to adequately answer empty accusations (i.e. which words were not the words of Jesus and on what basis is this assertion made?). 

 

Real science and unrevised history overwhelmingly support the truth that the Bible is divinely inspired and amazingly accurate.  But that does not appear to be the sort of evidence you really want to look into.  Prove me wrong by going to this link and viewing the many evidences for the supernatural proof that the knowledge in the Bible has been thousands of years ahead of modern science, which is now only beginning to catch up: http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html


I've had the privilege of meeting Josh McDowell and spoke with him. What you need to know about Josh McDowell is that he's a man that has seen corruption in the world, evil inside of people, people hurting each other and lying to one another and he realized that a way of making more honest human beings is by giving people a religion to follow. Thus he tries to prove that the bible is without flaws but in reality his arguments are weak, his research is false in many ways, and is really only something that Christians who don't know any better can read and believe.

 

Please Faizan!  You do not know Josh McDowell's real heart, just because you spoke with him one time.  The last thing he would ever wish to do is just sell people religion, just in order to make them better people. Nothing McDowell has ever written, spoken about publicly or put on video would come close to supporting your fanciful imaginations (false accusations) about him.  If you really believe your nonsense, then go to Josh.org and write to him about all your objections, if you really think they are actually valid.  But be prepared to be served up a major dose of humble pie with a hearty filling full of facts my friend, because I've heard all the arguments and seen the answers, and you are completely without any solid basis to stand on.


What about the thousands of Christian scholars who had real faith before they went into minister but once they learned about the history and facts about the bible they lost there faith?  If you don't believe me just go to any University and talk to the Christian Theologians. All of them would disagree that the bible has not been preserved, is not the word of God or even Jesus, and again this is something that I can show you using verses in the Bible itself but really you do your own homework and talk to Theologians at the same level as McDowell and see what they say.

 

It is true that there are a boat load of fakes and phonies running around in their professional "Christian" underwear at most of the "Christian" universities today.  So what?  Jesus said that the way is narrow that leads to life (hello).  The pseudo-intellectual excuses invented by unbelieving morons with a Ph.D.’s at Christian seminaries are at a record high (but this degeneracy is exactly what was prophesied for the time just before Jesus would return – 1 Timothy 4:1-2 & 2 Timothy 4:3-4).  Their lies have been soundly refuted many times over, but even Hitler said that if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough, people will eventually believe it is the truth.  You're listening to the many, who are telling the rebel inside of you exactly what it wants to hear, instead of honestly looking at both sides and weighing the facts. Such an attitude and approach will never land a person in a favorable place with God, who is truth itself (John 14:6).


So, again I don't believe in the bible because it is an imperfect book with flaws and errors inside of it. Rather I believe in the Quran, "This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah" Surah Baqarah. 

 

No, the Bible is not flawed, as to God’s clear revealed will.  And yes, you would rather believe the words of “Jibrael” over God’s word, and sadly, you will be without any excuse when you stand before God on the Day of Judgment.  But, worse, those who received a greater knowledge of the truth will be judged more severely, because God is completely just.

Also I can't believe a God who calls himself one and all the prophets believed God is one would then all of a sudden say that no I'm actually three, here is my son, and don't forget about a holy spirit. Rather I believe that God is one in it's purest form that he has no partners what so ever.

 

No, actually to your shame you would rather believe “Jibrael’s” more recent lies and call God a liar, when He said from the very beginning, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." - Genesis 1:26.

  

Objections And Questions From Amin:

My friend it is people like you who introduce division and violence in peaceful communities. Why do you have to prove that my religion is illegitimate to build up creditability for your religion? The Qur'an says: oh unbelievers in Islam, I don't worship what you worship and you don't worship what I worship ...... UNTO YOU YOUR RELIGION AND UNTO ME MINE. Isn't this better? Choice of religion is a right given by God no one can take away and no one should ridicule other people's religions.  By the way, who told you Muslims believe that Gabriel is a Jinn? You misinformed about the Islamic religion and yet you present yourself as an expert on it.  Amin

 

Dear Amin,

 

First, I’m not an “unbeliever” and I am truly submitted to God according to His terms for submission, which is something Islam and other religious system, including many within Christianity, do not comprehend.  I do not seek division, but rather peace.  For can a man truly be at peace, if he is not at peace with God, even if he believes he is at peace with himself, and perhaps many other men?  Even the Nazi Party was at “peace” with itself and thought it was doing everything right in 1940 and history tells us how that turned out.

 

You are free to choose your eternal destiny, as an autonomous individual before God, and I respect that as your right.  I offer enlightening information only.  I will never force anyone to choose at the end of a gun or with the threat of beheading, even if I believe they are truly an infidel.  Therefore, any accusation concerning violence against peace on my part is completely false and without any merit at all.

 

I do not desire to "prove" my "religion", because the Christian "religion" is like most other religious systems, which only try to do good works to somehow please God enough to obtain His mercy.  I am trying to communicate about the wonderful relationship I have with God, as His forgiven child, through the blood sacrifice Jesus made for us, to cleanse and free us from our sins, to make us righteous before our Holy Creator.

 

I suspect that you do not understand this, because you have been taught to reject it out of hand, without allowing your mind to ever think it through.  Allow me the privilege to explain what I mean.

 

All men are sinners, for it is written, "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." - 1 John 1:8.  Each sin we commit earns us the death penalty, for it is written, "The wages of sin is death" - Romans 6:23  The longer we live the more death penalties we earn against ourselves.  Most of us have thousands upon thousands of death sentences upon us, if we have lived any length of time at all. Yet, God is a holy and righteous judge (2 Timothy 4:8), who cannot even look upon any sin (Habakkuk 1:13). Further, it is written that we are separated from God because of our sin and as long as our sin remains we will incur God's wrath.

 

Here is a question no religion can answer: How many good works must we do in order to earn God's favor, mercy and forgiveness (so that we can make it to Heaven)???

 

The reason no one has the answer is because God never established a good works system as the method by which the human soul could be saved from their sins.  God made it very clear, though His Law, that the blood of an innocent must be shed (payment by death) for sin to be forgiven.  But mankind kept on sinning, and so more and more animals had to be sacrificed.  Yet, this provided no ultimate or final solution, as animals were only a temporary fix and sin remained with us and upon us, because we kept doing it.  Thus, sin condemns us to an eternal hell, permanently separated from a Holy God.

 

But, God so loved the world that He came to earth and took on human flesh, lived a perfect sinless life, then He took all of our sin upon Himself and died for us (in our place, that whoever would believe on His blood sacrifice for their sins would be saved forever.  Jesus made the sacrifice to substitute our sin for His righteousness.  The blood of Jesus Christ is the only solvent for sin, because a million of the very best good works that we might wish to produce do not have the power to remove any sin off of our soul.

 

Religion is man trying to prove he should be accepted by God.  Real, relational Christianity is accepting God's gift of forgiveness provided by Jesus Christ (that's why he is called the Messiah, which means Savior).

 

This is why Jesus said things like "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM (God), you will die in your sins." - John 8:24 & "Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" - John 8:58 & "Jesus said to him, I AM the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me" - John 14:6 & "Jesus said to her, I AM the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies" - John 11:25  This is a direct correlation to when God revealed His name to Moses as “I AM WHO I AM” (Exodus 3), and the Jews in Jesus’ day knew it!  That’s why many worshipped Jesus and many others accused Him of blaspheme. It’s only the uninformed who seem to get confused about it.

 

Even though I was raised in a "Christian" environment, it was not until I was a young adult that I finally realized that God never intended me to work for the salvation of my soul, but that He had already made it a free gift through forgiveness in Jesus Christ.  So now, having been completely forgiven of my sins and given God's promise of Heaven, I just naturally want others to know that they can be free too!

 

Lastly, I did not say that Muslims believe Jibrael was a jinn.  I simply pointed out the evidence that supports the spirit was really a jinn, deceitfully calling itself "Jibrael", who lied against all the previous testimony of the patriarchs and prophets, in strict violation of God's Law.

 

May you truly be blessed to know God's love for you!  TJ

 

 

The Book of Revelation Should Not Be Taken Seriously By Anyone.  As for those, both inside and outside of Christianity who follow the idea that the book of Revelation is "filled with dragons, unicorns, and other mythical creatures. From all the books in the Bible, it should be taken the lease serious.

 

Jesus Christ left this severe warning: “I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book” (In other words, they will go to Hell.)  (Revelation 22:18-19).  So, be very careful who you choose to listen to my friend!

 

The Dajjal will be revealing himself very soon (I strongly believe well before 2015) with his seven year peace covenant (this will start the judgments written in the book of Revelation).  So, even if you cannot hear these words pointing you to the truth now, you hopefully will have a second chance once you see the great economic collapse and a world war begin shortly afterward, with the Dajjal providing the "solution" with his peace proposal.  If you won't wake up even at that point, then you will be in great trouble, for God will not tolerate such disobedience to His truth for only so long.

 

As it is written, "Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth" - 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12

 

You see, it would follow logically that if this "Jibrael" was indeed a jinn, he would have lied about the future as well, to set people up to follow the Dajjal, which is precisely what the ancient prophets of God have warned would happen.

 

The argument you made about the previous books is that Islamic scholars have said it is corrupt. But we find that the changing of the previous books is mentioned in the Quran:  “Do you (faithful believers) covet that they will believe in your religion in spite of the fact that a party of them (Jewish rabbis) used to hear the Word of Allaah (the Tawraat), then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it?” [al-Baqarah 2:75]

 

How odd?  Do you realize that you have just pointed out a serious contradiction within the Qur'an itself, concerning this quote and the quotes I shared with you previously from Surah 5:43-68?  For how could Jibrael so forcefully recommend that which had already been corrupted?

 

You mentioned that we need more than one witnesses to believe Muhammad (s.a.w). He not only met Jibraeel, but other angels as well, and even went into the company of God himself. If you find this not be sufficient, what is an alternate scenario in which Muhammad (peace be upon him) can be accepted as a source?

 

1st - What proof is there that this actually happen?  This is purely on the level of myth, fairytale and legend.  There is no historical support for this claim?  To accept the words of Jibrael, passed onto us through Muhammad, we would need; (A) a message that agreed with all the previous testimonies of the prophets and patriarchs, instead of serious and numerous contradictions. (B) Verifiable supernatural miracles that could only be from God, which many witnesses testified to seeing, like the miracles that Jesus did.  (C) Finally, we would have needed to have seen the pure character at least equal to that of Jesus Christ, which reflected the holy character of God, the Father.  Jesus was sinless, but even the Qur’an tells us that Muhammad was a sinner (Sura Muhammad 47:19), which creates a huge credibility problem for your position.

 

To dismiss or ignore these clear points of discernment for testing a spirit is to open ourselves up to any deceiving jinn that comes along with a convincing message.  Granted, you have been raised to not question the message (and hopefully now you are beginning to see why), but you do not have to continue to keep your mind closed, now that the challenge has been presented revealing the real problems that exist.

 

And even if Jibrael would have been from God, and Muhammad recited the message perfectly without a single human error, this would not account for the additional problems of multiple versions during Uthman's time, when he picked one and discarded the rest twenty years after Muhammad was deceased.


What you are attributing to Jesus cannot be verified as his words.

 

Once again, you are merely repeating what you have been conditioned to believe without questioning it. If you will look into the merits (actual verifiable evidence) concerning Jesus words and how they were witnessed, recorded and passed down, you will find we do have a great deal of what He said, exactly as He said it. Many have set out to disprove this and every attempt has fail miserably, but the misinformation gets repeated many times for each new generation, so that the devil can keep a veil over the eyes of the unbelieving.  Anyone who is willing to dig passed front page of propaganda will quickly learn the truth and the real history.  The contradictions only exist because most people stop when they have heard just what they want to hear.  Go to Josh.org as a place to start if you what some real answers in this area.  Josh McDowell is a brilliant man who was a determined atheist. He set out to prove Christianity wrong once and for all, and he believed he could easily do it, because he too believed all the misinformation he had heard.  But once he encountered the real and overwhelming evidence, he said he had no choice but to bow to Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.

 

But even if we accept them, we find them all calling to one God.  The God that does not change, the same God Moses, Abraham, and Jesus worshiped.

 

This is part misinformation and part misunderstanding.  It is true that God has not changed, but men have misunderstood and tried to change Him, at least in their own perception.  Allow me to show you what I mean.

 

God is an almighty, multi-dimensional, supernatural Spirit, who can manifest Himself in different forms in a multiplicity of ways, so we cannot lock Him up in our tiny human (naturalistic) boxes, by deciding He must be stuck in another dimension, sitting on a throne, like some old man that can't even stand up. 

 

To understand God it is helpful to think of H2O. H2O can take on the form of a gas (like clouds, steam or vapor), liquid (like water - under or above ground, running or still, in large oceans or small puddles), or a solid (like ice - in your freezer or at one of the earth's poles), but it is still H2O all the same, regardless of all the different forms and places it exists in.  So it is with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.  God is still ONE, yet He is three as well.  That is why it is written in the Torah, "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." - Genesis 1:26.  God speaks of Himself in the plural form (3 times) during the creation of man!

You see, God is an almighty, multi-dimensional Spirit, who can manifest Himself in different forms in a multiplicity of ways, so we cannot lock Him up in our tiny human (naturalistic) boxes, by deciding He must be stuck in another dimension, sitting on a throne, like some old man that can't even stand up. 

Jesus is like the water form of H2O.  If we want to be cleansed of our sin, to receive God’s mercy and forgiveness, we must immerse ourselves in Christ, by giving Him our very life and soul, to do with as He pleases.  We have been purchased with the greatest price of His blood and this makes us His possession.  So, either He owns you or He does not.  Only those owned by Him will have their name found in the book of life and go to Heaven (Revelation 20:15).  

 

The part/person of God, called the Son, Jesus Christ, took on human flesh by supernaturally creating Himself as a zygote in the womb of the virgin Mary.  God created the whole universe, so yes, He could do a simple zygote in Mary too and spiritually indwell it. Jesus lived a perfect, sinless life in a lowly human body.  This is why He said "the Father is greater than I" (while I am in this human body) and "I and the Father are one" (as in co-equal, which the Jews fully understood and killed Him for it, through the charge of Blasphemy over calling Himself God).  History and hundreds of witnesses completely defy the words of the jinn that identified itself as "Jibrael", who then lied and said it all never happened, except for the virgin born part, which is actually very strange when you stop and think about it.

 

This is the true religion, but most men know not.

 

Religion perhaps, but "true religion" does not necessarily equal a right relationship with God. This is why not even one million good works can remove the stain and destructive corruption of even a single sin we commit.  There is only one supernatural solvent that cleans sin off our soul, the blood of Jesus Christ shed for us on the cross.  Our sin separates us from our Holy Creator, God, who cannot tolerate even the smallest sin, and it condemns us to an eternal hell in the lake of fire where all sin will be contained, forever separated from God.  So, the question is how do we get sin off our soul to be able to live with God in Heaven?

 

Soheeb, God had to come in the human form of Jesus and die for us, because all sin requires the death penalty.  Someone has to pay the price for our sin, which for the guilty is an eternity in the lake of fire (also known as the second death), if we pay for it ourselves.  However, God knew that an alternate payment could be made by sacrificing a perfect innocent person for those guilty of sin. So, He came Himself, in the form of the Son, Jesus Christ, and died for us, to pay the price to set us free from certain eternal damnation.  This is why Jesus said, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." - John 3:16 and "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." - John 8:24 and "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.'" - John 14:6 and "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies" - John 11:25

 
This is how I became free and now have eternal life, because I have accepted Jesus Christ's payment for my sin and been made righteous through Him.  I acknowledge I was a sinner, I repented of my sin and asked His forgiveness and surrendered my life to Him as my Lord and Savior.  In that moment, Jesus came to me supernaturally in the Spirit and told me He loved me and He forgave me.  I wept tears of joy, because I knew I had been set free of all my sinful guilt and shame and found the true love I had always desired to know.

 

He waits for you know if you will but soften your heart toward Him and ask His forgiveness.

 

May God richly bless you Amin, TJ

  

Objections And Questions From Abdul:

 

TJ: This is the same thing I am getting all the time.  In the old testament in hundred of verses, God told 
I am the lord, your God.  Abdul

God is an almighty, multi-dimensional, supernatural Spirit, who can manifest Himself in different forms in a multiplicity of ways, so we cannot lock Him up in our tiny human (naturalistic) boxes, by deciding He must be stuck in another dimension, sitting on a throne, like some old man that can't ever stand up.  It might help a little to think of God as something like water (or H2O) on this planet.  Water can take on the form of a gas (like clouds, steam or vapor), liquid (like water - under or above ground, running or still, in large oceans or small puddles), or a solid (like ice - in your freezer or at one of the earth's poles), but it is still H2O all the same, regardless of all the different forms and places it exists in.  So it is with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.  God is still ONE, yet He is three as well.  That is why it is written in the Torah, "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. " - Genesis 1:26.  God speaks of Himself in the plural form (3 times) during the creation of man! 

 

The part/person of God, called the Son, Jesus Christ, took on human flesh by supernaturally creating Himself as a zygote in the womb of the virgin Mary.  God created the whole universe; so yes, He could do a simple zygote in Mary too and spiritually indwell it. This is how Jesus was born of a virgin.  Jesus lived a perfect, sinless life in a lowly human body.  This is why He said "the Father is greater than I" (while I am in this human body) and "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30-33), as in co-equal, which the Jews fully understood and killed Him for the charge of Blasphemy of calling Himself God, over it.  History and hundreds of witnesses completely defy the words of the jinn "Jibrael", who lied and said it all never happened, except for the virgin born part, which is really odd if you think about it. 


Moreover the great prophet Isaiah confirmed this when he stated, “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel (means ‘God with us’).” Isaiah 7:14. For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace” Isaiah 9:6.  Again, to begin to understand God it is helpful to think of H2O.

When God Came To This World, Lived Here For 33 Years He Told For A Single Time, I Am The Lord, 
Your God.  Why? God Was Shy Or Forgetful? Why?


God came in the form of Jesus to show us Himself, in a way humanity could begin to relate to God.
Thus, Jesus was God's way of revealing His very nature and character to us. This understanding
could begin to reveal much of what the Bible is actually saying to us, if you are willing to listen.


Jesus Told Us To Test A True Believer When He Or She Comes To Preach To You. You Are Not Ready
To Take The Test And As Per Jesus Christ You Are Not A True Believer.


Your assessment is flawed.  If you really want "tests" - then be willing to test this Abdul:  We are
instructed to test the spirits
(1 John 4:1).  The tests we are to apply are at least two fold, to know
whether the spirit was from God or a clever and deceiving jinn.
Test #1:  God's Law given through Moses tells us that “on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed” – Deuteronomy 17:6.  One witness is not sufficient to establish or judge a matter or
person by - Deuteronomy 19:15.  The Bible testifies to the accuracy of the prophets and the patriarchs with over 40 separate witnesses who all spoke and wrote to the same message about Isa (Jesus Christ), the Messiah, who would come to save mankind by suffering and dying for our sins!  Further, their consistent corporate testimony was confirmed with God’s divine stamp of approval by signs, miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit, which irrevocably establishes that their witness was from God.

The Qur’an has but one witness, a spirit identifying itself as “Gabriel” ("Jibrael").  How is the contradictory witness of one spirit being put above the witness of over 40 verified God fearing testimonies of the great ancient prophets and patriarchs that all agreed and have God’s divine stamp of approval, even though this single testimony for one spirit breaks the Law of God given through Moses in the Torah???

Test # 2:  The prophets in the books of Holy Scripture gave us a strong warning and guideline for protection, so that we would not to be deceived by the jinn, But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be (divinely) accursed (Galatians 1:8) and “contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3).  These things were written long ago to protect those truly seeking God from the current and future false prophecies and teachings that God knew the devil would introduce to deceive mankind, long before a spirit calling itself “Jibrael” introduced a contrary message to humanity.


Further there is a third test we can apply:


Test # 3:  Jesus said we would know the true and the false by their fruit (Matthew 7).  Jibrael's sole
testimony lied against all the combined testimonies of the patriarchs and prophets and the Law of
God requires that everything be established by two or three witnesses.  Islam is asking everyone to
accept the contradictory testimony of one being against all that is right and reasonable before both
men and God.  Additionally, when Jesus spoke about separating out the true leaders from the false
in
John 8:44 & John 10:9-11, He said the false come to steal, kill and destroy - they are liars and
murderers like their father the devil.  Abdul, it is not I who refuses to take the test, it is you.  Jesus
gave His life and so did His disciples give their lives as well.  The direct followers of Jibrael lied, stole
and murdered frequently in the name of their god.  Thus, the difference is clear and it shows all the
more that Jibrael was truly a deceiving jinn sent from Satan.


The Bible Tells Of Coming Of A Comforter, That Comforter Is Prophet Muhammad, Peace Be Upon
Him.


I believe you are referring to John chapter 14 here.  However, if we read the entire context in that
chapter,
verse 26
tells us exactly who the comforter is directly, the Holy Spirit, not Muhammad.

By the way, you believe that Jesus died for the sins of the mankind. I could not find a single verse on the
bible where Jesus Christ said I am going to die or I will die for the sins of mankind. A belief must be
supported by documented evidence.


Your point is correct about evidence, but your knowledge of the Bible is highly lacking. Try reading
Luke 9:22-25, Matthew 17:1-22, Mark 8:31, Romans 5:6-10.
 
(A free online resource could prove helpful to you for looking up the references I've listed for you, I use the New American Standard Bible version (NASB) because its translators made it the most accurate version to reflect the literal Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek - http://www.biblegateway.com/)
 
If Jesus died for the sins of mankind, billions of people were born and died before 
Jesus Christ came to the world, how these people will be saved?
Great question!  The Bible explains that the souls of people who died before the first coming of Jesus
Christ went to a spiritual place of the dead located in the middle of the earth, usually referred to as
Sheol.  The righteous souls, like Abraham, were on one side of a great and impassable abyss resting
in peace and comfort and the unrighteous souls were on the other side of the abyss suffering in
tormenting flames of fire (Luke 16:19-31).  The righteous were the souls looking forward to the coming
of the redeeming Messiah, promised to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3).  The
wicked were the souls that rejected their need for redemption through the Messiah, believing they
were good enough to stand before their Holy Creator on their own merits.  When Jesus died on the
cross for our sins He went down to Sheol in His spirit and preached to this waiting great multitude on
both sides of the abyss.  His words were doom to the unrighteous souls who had to remain in the
flames, where most of the unrighteous now go and await the final judgment (a place we now call
Hades).  Yet, Jesus transferred all of righteous souls up to paradise in Heaven, with a few stopping
off in Jerusalem on the way to be a witness to what had taken place during the time of the death and
resurrection of Jesus Christ (please see 1 Peter 3:18-20, Ephesians 4:9-10 & Matthew 27:50-53).

As for my sins, I do good works and I ask for the mercy of Allah to forgive my sins, because
I know nobody will take the burden of my sin. I have to take the burden myself.

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. -
Romans 6:23

Abdul, every sin we commit, no matter how small we think it may be, it earns us the death penalty
before a Holy God who cannot tolerate sin!  A just, Holy God will not allow sin to go unpunished.  
God's mercy is only appropriated through the blood sacrifice of Jesus to cleanse the sin off our soul
and make us righteous before God.  Our good works do not have the power to remove even one sin
off our soul.  This is why the prophet Isaiah said that all our righteous works are but filthy rags before
God, because we try to do a good work and use it to wipe the sin off our soul, but sin is so evil and
destructive it stays on us and pollutes our good works too!  This is why the Bible tells us that we can
not earn our salvation and no man will be able to boast before our Holy and Righteous (Perfect)
Creator on judgment day. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."
- Ephesians 2:8-9

I need not Jesus to forgive my sins because he never said he can forgive sins and he was
only a prophet and was only sent to the lost sheep of house of Israel (Matthew 15:24).

Have you ever heard the saying, "text without context is no text at all"?  When we keep reading we
see Jesus doing a miracle for this gentile woman He was speaking to, as He did the same for other
gentiles as well, which meant He did come for the Jewish people first, as the prophesied Messiah
was foretold to do, but He was not exclusively for the Jews as a redeemer.  This is demonstrated as
completely true in John 10:16, where Jesus speaks about His "other sheep" that were not of this
flock.  So, yes, you, like everyone else, needs to repent before Jesus and ask His forgiveness for
your sins or you will die in your sins and pay for them forever in hell (John 3:16, 3:36, 8:24 & 14:6).

Hope it is clear to you that you deny your bible and you preach to others to believe in that
bible. May Jesus help you to understand for what purpose he came to this world and May
Allah guide you in the right path. Amen. Abdul   

After all the evidence that I have presented to you, demonstrating that you simply have not
understood the Bible (even remotely up until now), I'll leave you with these Scripture passages
to consider more carefully, before you tell me, or any other Christians, that we don't know our
Bible or we have erred.
For those who stubbornly refuse to turn away from the lone, contradictory testimony of Jibrael, the
writer of the book of Hebrews stated it best  in chapter ten

 26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer
remains a sacrifice for sins,  27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.  29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY " And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."  31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. 

The LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book - Exodus 32:33

Also:   Revelation 20:11-15 - Judgment at the Throne of God
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.  12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.  15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Abdul, we only get our name in the book of life by bowing the knee to Jesus Christ and asking Him
to forgive us and to come into our life to be our Lord and Savior.

May the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth my friend.  Peace and blessing, TJ

  

Objections And Questions From Osama:

 

Hi Osama,


Thank you for your response. I will leave my answers within your comments with colored text for better continuity.

 

I don't quite see the evidence for your claim that even Islamic scholars have admitted that the Qur'an doesn’t make sense.   I don’t like to link you used , as I believe it is an insincere and anti-Islam website, answeringislam.com. It would be the equivalent of linking someone www.nazi.com and looking at their Judaism section to find out about Jews. Not something you would call an authoritative source on Islamic scholars or Islam.

 

This is flawed argumentation that is called “poisoning the well”.  Attack the source, so that no one will believe the message.  First, and foremost, the source can never be considered more important than the issue in question.  In other words, if even the devil says something that is completely true, does that make it false?

 

So, the question is not whether you and I like or dislike a source, but rather was the information actually true.  In other words, does the Hadith tell us of the Uthman selection from among different variations of recitings or not? 

 

The fact is that it does, thus, telling us that what we have in today's Qur'an cannot be verified as “pure” from the spirit messenger, to Muhammad to the best manuscript anywhere in the world.  Therefore, your original dogmatic statement, “The Qur'an is the inimitable word of God and has been preserved through the centuries”, is an act of blind faith on your part, not a historically verifiable fact that can be stated dogmatically. This was the very reason I brought it up to hopefully help you see that.

 

Unlike Christianity, Islam has a way to preserve its holy book, the Qur’an. A lot of people memorize the Qur'an letter for letter and part of the process of printing a new Qur'an is for a hafiz(one who has memorized the Qur'an) to hear the entire new Qur'an being recited and seeing if there are mistakes..

 

Two points need to be addressed here. First, since the source for the Qur'an fails the test of God's Law and the test of the prophets, and in view of the fact that the initial secondary transmission was guessed at by Uthman, what difference would it make if it had been perfectly copied through the last 1400 years?  None, of course.

 

Second, you should check out a copy of Evidence That Demands A Verdict, by Josh McDowell, or go to (Josh.org) .  Josh has shown how the Bible is the most accurate book of antiquity, with a very large number of manuscripts for the New Testament that provide the necessary means to accurately determine the original from the majority of text.  He also demonstrated how the scribes meticulously copied and preserved the Old Testament, which was shown to be exceptionally reliable when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered during the mid twentieth century (dating from 250-400 BC), demonstrating that the surviving manuscripts from 800 AD had not been changed, altered or corrupted, as critics had been asserting for centuries.  The documented historical evidence Josh provides (both from within Scripture and much from outside sources) is vast and overwhelming to any honest examiner.  And Josh should know, he was a determined atheist who set out with an agenda to disprove the Bible and Christianity once and for all.  But, he was honest with where the evidence led him, unlike many others who will reject any facts that get in the way of their system of belief.

 

Your claim about Jibrael is essentially circular logic where your primary proof is through the Bible. And it wasn’t always through him Muhammad (SAW) got instruction. Jibrael is an angel according to Islam and not a jinn as you know.  But I'm not sure you know what Islam teaches because you think of it as something the devil brought

.

I would like to point out that both our two faiths are built upon the Law of God and the prophets.  Without these essential two foundations, neither of us would have a legitimate faith.  Therefore, it does matter significantly what the Law and prophets have established as a basis for our faith.  God built in safeguards to keep us from being deceived by the devil. If we throw those protective barriers of discernment out, then we open the way for the devil to completely deceive us with in many ways.  This is why I pointed out the warnings and guidelines of the Law and the prophets for testing the spirits and properly analyzing any testimony that would be presented to humanity.

 

I'm sure the devil is really happy with us praying to God 5 times a day glorifying him and praising him as well as being good to our parents, neighbors, animals, humanity and etc.

 

Osama, the devil really does not care what we do, just as long as he owns our soul. Satan knows that the blood of Jesus is the only thing that will make a person righteous before a holy God, period.  The devil loves religion, even "Christian" religion, because it deceives people into believing that they are going to be okay with God on judgment day.  Even the Bible teaches us that most people calling themselves "Christians" will end up in Hell.  Religion is man's way of attempting self-justification, but God has made it clear that justification before Him comes only through Jesus Christ's sacrifice for us. 

 

For it is written, “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast” -Ephesians 2:8-9. 

 

No man shall boast before Almighty God, for God alone will be glorified.  Our sin (even the smallest sin) defiles our soul before our holy Creator.  God has made it clear that the blood of Jesus is the only righteous solvent that will remove sin from us and allow us to live in Heaven with God.  Our good works do not have this kind of power.  The prophet Isaiah said that all of our righteous acts are like filthy rags before God (Isaiah 64:6).  This is why God loved us, to come and live a perfect life in the flesh through Jesus, to be a substitute for us, that we could have a way back to God.  For the wages of sin is death, so God paid it for us, so that we would not have to go to Hell.  This is how we can obtain God's mercy, but it is only through the blood of Christ. 

 

For it is written,  "26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy  on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

 30For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY " And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."

 31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God." - Hebrews 10:26-31.

 

You know Allah in Arabic translates to God. 

 

There may be ways to translate Allah into "God".  Nevertheless, the historical Allah of Islam that was originally derived from one of the three chief gods of the 360 pagan gods of Medina (the moon god - thus the crescent moon), and then was then upgraded into "the one true God".  This is not even the same God as the Almighty YHWY ("I Am Who I Am" - who spoke to Moses in the burning bush); the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible.

 

The difference in our beliefs on God is somewhat based on semantics (not really, as I just stated), we both would say that God is all powerful. You believe he can do anything (No, God cannot sin, nor violate His own holy principles or character, and within this He has placed certain restraints upon Himself, i.e. He does not violate free will concerning a person making their choice for their eternal destiny, even though He could.)

 

Well if he's not all powerful that means he's not all powerful...it is mutually exclusive, the fault is with the statement and not God. The H20 comparison works well for something that isn’t God and if H20 was God in water, ice and vapor form it would be polytheistic in my opinion.

 

Is your human opinion greater than God's own words that say His is Three-in-One {which again is like H2O, not polytheism}, i.e. Genesis 1:26?

 

If this truly was the concept of God, could Christians really blame others for not believing in such a complicated/nonsensical monotheistic God. 

 

This is what faith truly boils down to in its very essence, God declares it and we believe it, even when our tiny human brains can't fully comprehend it.

 

The problem with omnipresence is that you believe God even exists in your feces or in the hearts of someone who has just buried alive a pregnant woman and child.

 

No, being present does not necessarily equate to inhabitation. God does hold all the atoms together by His supernatural power, but He is an almighty spirit-being, controlling the physical world, but only interacting directly with the parts of it that He chooses.  Otherwise, He is like the sun, which has beams that touch the feces, without being defiled by it.

 

I would say the problem with mankind nowadays is that we try to humanize God as if he is our actual father or significant other, like He needs rest doing work like after creating man. Whereas that type of love and far more should be present with God, we shouldn’t try to humanize him and we should be aware that He is just not all only all loving.

 

Good point!  He is Holy, Holy, Holy above all else (Isaiah 6:1-5 and Revelation 4:4-8).  It is out of His Holy perfection that all of His other attributes flow, including love. God did not need to rest.  God rested to show us the pattern humans needed to follow.  It is the only place mankind could have understood the concept of working for six days and resting on the seventh.


  

Objections And Questions From Ali:

 

Dear Ali, 

 

You are basing your beliefs on claims that just aren't true.  You need to stop listening to those who are just tickling your ears and start digging for the true facts yourself. These claims you have presented are easily refuted and in no way represent valid evidence

.

Islam declares that Jesus will return soon too.

 

Jesus will return, but not in the manner that follows the “Jibrael” edition (see Revelation 19:11-21).  He returns

as the Lord of Glory, God Almighty, not as Muhammad’s sidekick.

 

Christians reject the Laws of God

 

Not at all, 9 of the 10 Commandments are repeated for Christians to follow in the New Testament (New Covenant).  Jesus came to fulfill the Law and its requirements, not to do away with it (Matthew 5:17).  To understand the difference you would need to read the book of Hebrews in the New Testament.

 

 

When Jesus (pbuh) say he is not god you say no he is God, he says he didn’t die you say he died for your sins does that make sense?

 

You are cherry picking verses out of the Bible and misusing them out of their context.  Islam has rejected that Jesus Christ is the second person in the "Us", Holy Trinity; God indwelling human flesh, even though the ancient manuscripts have been verified clearly telling us that is how God defined Himself (Genesis 1:26, Genesis 11:7, John 14:1-26, etc.). 

 

God all mighty does not need to come to earth to experience anything He knows what he created and He is able to do all things without coming to earth.

 

The Bible also tells us that God's ways are higher than our ways and that His "foolishness" transcends far beyond all of the greatest human wisdom.  Thus, it tells us that the natural human mind cannot understand the things of God, as they are illogical and "foolish" to the natural mind.  Who are you to tell God He can't do it any way He would choose to?  God's purpose and plan is outlined throughout the entire Bible.  The Bible carries this very theme from the beginning to it's end, even though it was written down by 40 different authors over 1500 years, who came from all walks of life and various cultural influences.

 

No Human Can Be God

 

Correct!  But God can take on human form when He wishes to, just as He did with visiting Abraham, before He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis chapter 18).  God and two of his angels were given food by Abraham.  Trying to confine God within our tiny human understanding, and then placing our own restrictions on what the Almighty God supposedly can and cannot do, is idolatry plain and simple, because we have fashioned God into an image our little mind wants Him to be contained in.  To say that God could never transform Himself into a human form, not only goes against the verified historical account from Abraham, it lies against the verified historical account of what God did in and through Jesus Christ to save the lost souls of mankind.

 

The Bible Says Jesus (Pbuh) Is Human Like You And Me.

 

Because God took on human flesh, that part of Him was human while He was here.  Also, remember that God said "let Us" create man in "Our" own image (Genesis 1:26). It would be good to pull back from all the false propaganda that has been dished out to you throughout your life and really try to think a little deeper about this one Ali.  Jesus is God Almighty, the Son, who came down to earth, born of a virgin, to become the substitutionary sacrifice for the sins of all mankind.  Unrevised, real history proves He accomplished His mission successfully. God did not come in vain to die for us, so all those relying on their own good works to try to appease God, actually greatly offend Him, by trying to say He did not do it, or that it means nothing! Woe unto all those who think they can trample on the precious blood of Christ, given on their behalf (Hebrews 10:26-31)!

 

I see your belief it is exactly like the Hindus, they believe everything is God, so they believe in millions of gods.

 

Wrong again.  The Bible clearly teaches that God is a separate entity from His creation. However, He does actively interact with His creation and ultimately controls it for His purposes, which most humans will never understand.

 

The whole Christian world is fumbling with what to do with this.

 

Not the whole Christian world Ali, just a lot of it, which I told you the Bible says is phony and will go to hell along with everyone else who rejects the real truth about Jesus in the Bible.

 

They have no answer to questions people asking.

 

No, wrong again.  Answers are solid and plentiful for those who have an ear to hear.

 

People are smart these days, it might sense to you because you have no where to go.  But it doesn't make sense to millions of people around the globe.

 

As I pointed out, it will not make sense to the natural man, not in this life anyway.  Jesus said we must be born again (spiritually - John 3) if we are to understand and see the kingdom of God.

 

Thanks for the good discussion.   Ali

And I thank you as well Ali.  I believe there is always hope if people are willing to discuss things, instead of close off dialogue or make war, which is what makes no sense to me.  TJ

  

Objections And Questions From Amor:

 

Dear Amor,

Please allow me the privilege and opportunity to share with you concerning the objections you raised.


The message of God is the same from the beginning of time until the end of time.

However, certain scriptures have been greatly altered.


This is a common misconception based on deliberately distorted information from people who will make up any possible argument they can, in an attempt to invalidate God's Holy Word (The Bible), simply because what it says makes them guilty before their Creator and they really do not like that.  Thus, they wrongly think that if they can distort the facts and pretend the Bible is not credible, they will somehow free themselves from the soon coming wrath of God.  This is as irrational as saying air does not exist and holding one's breath for 30 seconds to "prove" it.  Honestly, this is one of the oldest lies around, which has been repeatedly shot down over the years, and even more so recently.  Why?

Because we have more ancient manuscripts now than ever, many dug up or found over the last 100 years, that clearly show us that the main theme throughout the Bible and all the essential doctrines of the Bible have been completely preserved in tact up to our present day.  The so-called "alterations" are tiny, insignificant differences in some of the copies that have never changed the divinely inspired meaning.  The majority of the various texts are used by honest scholars to determine where any errors in copying were made, allowing for a solid modern translation to be produced.  Those who attempt to sell the "altered Bible" idea will never mention these facts, because their lie would be exposed and they would go out of business.

Okay, now that you have been given the opportunity to see that the Bible can be regarded as a reliable source, hopefully you will choose to reconsider the reality that good works can not save a person before a Holy (perfect) God, because everything we do is contaminated with sin and separates us from God. 

For as it is written: 
"But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear." For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. 
(The Prophet Isaiah 59:2 & 64:6). 

An important aspect to note is that if someone says they love and believe in God, then he/she should follow and obey God's commands. Unfortunately, many of God’s previous scriptures have been altered to make it easier for others to follow the religion, to the point that good deeds and actions are no longer a requirement to enter heaven in certain religions. We can compare two individuals, one who prays daily, fasts regularly, and attempts to follow God’s commands, and the other who simply says he believes in God, but none of his actions reflect his love for God.  It is quite clear who is a man of God and who is not.


Amor, though it is true that actions will follow a genuine belief, you do not understand how God designed things to work, because you are trying to do the impossible by keeping God’s Law to be righteous.  The Law was given to be our School Master, to teach us just how far we fall from being able to live up to God’s perfect and holy standards. 

Just look at God's minimum standard for righteousness, the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17).  Have you always put God first in everything you have done in your life? Have you ever looked at a woman with lust (Jesus said that was the very same thing as committing adultery)?  Have you ever hated someone (Jesus said that was the very same thing as murder)?  Have you ever lied?  Have you ever taken some thing that was not yours (regardless of the value)?  If so, that would make you a thief.  Have you ever wanted something that someone else had? If so, that would make you guilty of coveting and this is not even all of the Ten Commandments, Amor.

We have all broken God's Law (Commandments) and anyone who tries to keep the whole Law and yet stumbles at even one point (before our Holy God) becomes guilty of all of it
(James 2:10).  The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23).  Thus we are all condemned to die, both physically and spiritually (cast into an eternal lake of fire to pay for our sins).  We can do nothing to remove the sin off of our own soul and the pure and Holy God will not allow any contaminated creature into His unpolluted presence up in Heaven.  To further answer the misconception you raised about good works, allow me ask you a question Amor.  How many good works would we have to do, if works could actually remove sin?  What is the standard?  How could anyone ever know they had done enough? You may wish to fall back on God's mercy at this point, but you would only have a vain hope that His mercy would out weigh His Holiness.  Even so, when God revealed Himself to people like the Prophet Isaiah and the prophet and apostle John, God was seen with only one attribute, His holiness to the third power! 

For as it is written:
In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple.  Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.  And one called out to another and said,  Holy, Holy, Holy, is the LORD of hosts, The whole earth is full of His glory.”  And the foundations of the thresholds trembled at the voice of him who called out, while the temple was filling with smoke.  Then I said, “Woe is me, for I am

ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.” (The Prophet Isaiah 6:1-5, also see Revelation 4).
Did you notice that "merciful", "loving" and "forgiving" did not make the top three on the list of God's character attributes?  This is not a very good sign for any sin contaminated creature when they stand before the Almighty, Holy God on the Day of Judgment.

Amor, the truthful bad news and reality of the situation is that trusting in our deeds (or our own self-righteousness) leaves us condemned before our Holy Creator, without any hope for seeing God’s mercy applied to us.
 

Just as it is written:

11 "Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.  14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. "  [The final judgment at the Throne of God – From the Revelation of the real Jesus Christ 20:11-15 (Holy Scripture)].

Did you notice that everyone trusting in their deeds, which are listed books of the deeds (all our works/deeds, good and bad combined), ended up in hell?  (This would include those who call themselves Christian as well.)  If you want to know how your name can be written in the book of life, so that you can go to heaven, then go to http://www.TruthandLife.US and scroll down to the bottom of the page and find out. 

 Isa (Jesus Christ) also said:

 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."Matthew 7:13-14 (Only a small minority of humanity will be found in the book of life!)

"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." – The prophet John 8:24

"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." - The prophet John 3:36

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."  - The prophet John 3:16

 “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name” - The prophet John 1:12

The truth lies in front of you but you run away from it because you are simply following your desires.

No, Amor, I follow the very word of God and thus, the true God Himself, not some invention, myth or distortion.  I’ve planted myself in extremely solid historical facts and in agreement with hard evidence.  You need to put your statement in the mirror and take a good look at yourself my friend.

It is true we all sin, but does that imply that we should strive to sin? Of course not, and that is why I do not follow a religion that allows me to commit sin and place the consequences and guilt on another person.


Apparently, you see God's grace for the forgiveness of sins, through the loving sacrifice of Jesus Christ, as some kind of license to freely sin. But, the Bible does not teach this. In fact, the Bible tells us that anyone practicing sin is really a child of the devil bound for hell.

For as it is written:
Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;  the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.  No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.  By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. (The prophet and apostle John - 1 John 3:7-10).

Unfortunately, you think your good works can save you, which God has declared to be false.  Good works are to follow salvation in Christ, which is the only way we can please God with our good works, because it is the only way those works will not have contamination from sin on them.  Good works must be done by God, through a cleansed believer in Christ, by the power of God, for His purposes alone.  For only God will receive the glory.


God Is All Merciful And God Is All Just: 

I Follow A Religion That Rewards For Following God’s Commands And Punishes For Disobeying God’s Commands.  God Is All Merciful, Yes, But God Is Also All Just, Which Is An Attribute That Seems To Have Disappeared From Certain Religions.

Here, you have summed up how most people view God and shape Him into their image, disjointed from what God has truly revealed about Himself.  There is great contradiction within this idolatrous concept. For you want God to be both “just” and “merciful” all together (only with complete justice to those you don't like and absolute mercy to those you do like).  This may seem convenient, but it is utterly contrary to the revealed will of God.


For God to be truly just, He must punish all who have sinned.  Yet, surely you know you have committed multiple sins against the righteous and holy standard of God's Laws.  Thus, by your own religious position, you have condemned yourself to hell, for a good judge cannot overlook disobedience to the law and forego punishment or corruption takes place.

But, then you protest with a vain hope, "but God is all merciful"!  Again, a contradiction.  For if God was all merciful, then sin would not matter, because all would be forgiven and no punishment would be handed out, thus, making a mockery out of justice.  For without some (invented) standard to try to divide the sins up into measurable categories with works that had equally measurable categories to counter the sins (which would only be another lie from the pit of hell) the contradiction of all mercy and all justice remains.  This is precisely why religious people have no certainty about the position of their soul before God.

Amor, God saw our hopeless predicament in facing His justice, and so He lovingly offered us His mercy through Himself, when He took on human flesh, coming to earth as Jesus Christ, the Son. He lived a perfect, holy life and offered up Himself to be put to death on a cross in our place as payment for all our sins, so that His justice could be satisfied.  It's now an all or nothing deal with God.  We must accept His payment in our place to get our name written in the book of life, or be condemned to hell by our deeds (sin contaminated good deeds and bad deeds alike), just as
Revelation 20:11-15 states it will be.  God’s mercy will only be applied to those who have submitted to Him through the blood of Jesus Christ, by making Jesus their Lord and Savior.

Amor, God loved you enough to die in your place.  Either, you can open your heart to Him and accept His terms for your soul, or continue to spit in His face, by declaring your own self-righteousness by your deeds. The choice is yours my friend.  I pray that you will choose wisely. For it is written in
Hebrews 10:26-31:  26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.  29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?  30For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY " And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."
  31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


May God bless you richy my friend, TJ


 
Adel Wants Evidence, As He Believes He Has Proof That The Bible Is Flawed

Hello TJ
 
I am really enjoying this fact finding mission, and at the end the truth will reveal. I think you are very confident about the HOLINESS of the bible but can you check these links which my former christian Friend show them to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johan… and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Mark and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pericope
 
 
I am very excited waiting for your documented EVIDENCEINCE that can contradict the DOCUMENTED info.
 
Adel

Greetings Adel,

Holiness was the word you chose to use, you will not find it in any of my past communications.  The Bible is inspired by God, the Holy Spirit, who gave it to many men (about 40) from a wide variety of backgrounds (priests, prophets, shepherds, kings, fishermen, etc.) over a period of about 1500 years, on four different continents, in three different languages who wrote it down and had it passed on through a very intensive copying process, which has proved to be extremely accurate. 

Adel, let's just stop here for a moment and think about that.  If we even assigned 40 men from the same profession, all living at the same time, and in the same place (say Paris, France), to individually/separately write down their belief about creation, man, God, Satan, demons, angels, salvation, Heaven, Hell, etc., then we took each of their little books and put them together into one volume and called it "God's word" (the Bible), what do you think we would have?  It would be the most contradictory piece of literary garbage on the planet and absolutely nobody would take it seriously!

Through thorough examination with the scientific method of contextual criticism, the minor differences that have been discovered never changed the meaning of any of the Bible's doctrines or the major theme which was perfectly woven throughout the Bible, from the very beginning to the very end, which any honest and intelligent person realizes is the real issue involved with such an examination.  The Bible's main theme and doctrines have been preserved perfectly, as is evidenced by things like the Dead Sea Scrolls (discovered 60-70 years ago) that verify the very high degree of copying accuracy, when it was compared to the other surviving manuscripts of 800 A.D and back, which critics had all claim were changed.  The Dead Sea Scrolls proved all the critics to be incompetent or liars, but that does not seem to stop them from continuing to disseminate the same lies to their willing audiences, knit picking at the tiny gnats, while ignoring the real Mt. Everest of evidence towering over them.  Thus, proving that it really is not a head issue that the intelligent mind cannot resolve, but rather it is a heart issue of those who refuse to believe in God, according to the way He has plainly and unquestionably revealed Himself to mankind.

Islam's own writings show the problem of many abrogations within the Qur'an, making it far from the perfect transmission it is being claimed to be (See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYRxrE3-F8U&feature=related). Combine this with the fact that ABROGATIONS (verses in the Qur'an has been removed, changed, reversed, or replaced) are so numerous that is impossible to know what Muhammad recited, even if we were to believe that the contradictory, sole testimony of Jibrael was actually from God.  Hopefully, now you can begin to see why many believe it is intellectual impossible to rationally accept the Qur'an and consider it to be spiritually detrimental for the human soul, because one's sin remains on them, condemning them before Holy God. 
Here is where I direct people to understand the importance of strictly following the majority of the manuscript texts, as being the real answer to what was actually written.  Erasmus followed this edict properly when he first wrote it down in his translation, but thanks to a bunch of religious knuckleheads, who threatened him, he caved-in to the pressure and changed that one small portion for his translation.  Now hear me on this, because this is a common error in thinking with just about everyone in the world.  Not all translations are equal, because they have not all been copied one behind the other.  In fact, that is usually not the way it works, especially in our modern era.  I use the New American Standard Bible, not the KJV that came from Erasmus's translation, because the scholars that translated the NASB from the original manuscripts accurately followed all the rules of protocol for precision concerning what the majority of the texts stated, which allowed them to rule out any of the copying mistakes or other minor errors. Thus, the NASB does not carry the addition in 1st John referred to here.  This in no way threatens the doctrine of the Trinity, because it is well established by many other references in the Bible, in both the New and Old Testaments.  See http://www.truthandlife.us/Islamic_Queries-Dissent.html#The_Word_Trinity and following on my website for the proof of the Trinity in the Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Mark
The "Secret Gospel of Mark"?  Please Adel!  How is it that someone professing to be a Muslim, runs directly into the arms of an atheist or agnostic, who defiles even their own belief system, just to grasp at straws, with the vain hope of "disproving" the Bible?  Morton Smith who "found" the manuscript believed that Jesus was NOT a prophet, only merely a magician.  He also believed Jesus was a homosexual!  He believed this before his convenient "discovery", which supposedly proved this was true.  So Adel, if you are going to believe in this perverted infidel's obvious forgery, then you must also reject the Qur'an, for what it claims about Jesus too!  If you really need more than this, then go to (http://christianthinktank.com/qbadmark.html) for a complete examination of this nonsense.
This is the perfect example of focusing so hard on the flea that a person goes cross-eyed and misses the elephant standing right in front of them.  This passage in no way contradicts anything about Jesus, while it further confirms His divine authority by demonstrating that when He was forced to deal with the self-righteous, religious knuckleheads of that time period, He could easily put them in their place in relation to where they actually stood in regard to God's Holy standard.

This story was obviously well known and passed down orally, then added later, because it was seen as too good to be left out.   Every thing we have started out through oral transmission and then was eventually written down.  Some things were written down earlier in the process and some things later. Further, if we completely removed it would it really change the meaning of the Bible? No, so it is a moot point unworthy of any real serious consideration.

What every Muslim needs to understand is that the real issue is confirmation verses contradiction!  The fact is that Jibrael offered up many very serious contradictions!  Jibrael was but one witness that contradicted many previous witnesses of God, which is a violation of the Law of God, nullifying his testimony as being legitimate, and thus proving he was really a deceiving jinn, not a messenger angel from God.
May God bless you with great understanding and courage, TJ.

 
Omar Thinks That Testimonies from The Deen Show Will Show Me The Way.

I have honored your challenge and responded below.  I hope you will take the same time I have taken to hear your side of the argument and honestly evaluate the evidence I have presented for my side.  May God guide and bless you in every honest endeavor you undertake to know more about what He has revealed to humanity.
 
Before I respond under the videos you listed for me to watch, allow me to answer your final question.
P.S. Where did you get your information on Imam Mahdi, it is riddled with falsities that do not belong to Islam?
 
The reason part of the information in the article "Watch Out For Satan's Tricky Dajjal (Antichrist)" does not match up is because it comes from the biblical prophets, many which Islam honors traditionally, but in a very superficial manner because the prophets words have been ignored or perhaps discounted as being lost. Well, this is one of the greatest mistakes within Islam, because the prophetic oracles have been accurately preserved (as evidenced in part by the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls) and they have a great deal to enlighten us about.  I gave the references for the material within the article, so this should have told you the source of the information.
 
Omar, this is why I am so intrigued by the biblical prophets, they have a verifiable track record of complete 100% accuracy.  And now they are hitting on all cylinders for our current time period, as many amazing ancient prophecies that were given for a very specific generation in the future are now being fulfilled in ways that our forefathers could have never believed was even possible!
 
This phenomenal evidence, which is undeniable to any remotely honest soul, checkmates all of the clever deceptions that have been brought forth by unbelievers and pretenders to try to convince people to not believe in the Bible as God's true word and Jesus Christ as God, our Savior, for all these prophecies point to Jesus Christ as being God Almighty, the Messiah of Humanity, who is returning very soon to judge the living and the dead, including Muhammad and all who followed him.
 
Read the article (below)  again  and take notes of what has been predicted to transpire, and then judge for yourself by what you actually see with your own eyes, not what you will be told by others to believe. For even Jesus said about this time we are currently in that deception would be very strong and pervasive over the earth.
 
 
First, just let me say that I am often amused by the Deen Show.  The parade of people who once were apart of the Christian religious system and are now followers of Islam is not proof that the Bible is wrong at all, rather it is strong verification that the Bible's predictions are completely true.  This often shocks my Muslim friends, but the Bible tells us that it would be exactly this very way (Matthew 7:13-23).  Jesus said that only a few would make it into Heaven, we would know the false believers by their fruit, and that many who called Him Lord (said they knew Him) would be sent to Hell, as He would declare to them on the day of judgment that He NEVER knew them.  That being said, now let's deal with the deceptions Jerald Dirks has unfortunately gave himself over to, which are all very commonly espoused by the liberal and "educated" within Christendom in particular (so much so that one wonders why they even bother to identify themselves as being "Christian", since they don't even believe most of the Bible or follow Christ in any real way beyond minimal lip service and nominal practice, for calling oneself an atypical Christian is an oxymoron).

Mr. Dirks credentials are liberal to the core, liberal meaning that the Bible was not considered authentic or authoritative (it is more of a social network of people who like to think of themselves as being "good" people and use the community church as a place to gather for their social interaction).  The Methodist Church has been very liberal for a long time and Harvard left the "Christian reservation" a long time ago when it started teaching the European and atheistic inspired "higher criticism", which is nothing more than a direct rejection of biblical authority.  So, to obtain a Doctorate of Divinity from Harvard (and most other colleges and seminaries today) means you have been trained to accept the atheistic point of view about the Bible.  So, it is no surprise when these type of people later come out and renounce their "Christianity" for something else.  Most become atheists, but a few go elsewhere like Mr. Dirks.

Mr. Dirks made accusations about his exposure to ancient manuscripts that brought the Bible's doctrines into question, without revealing any sources, so that no legitimate test to his claim could be established or refuted.  This is one of the oldest tricks liberals use, "I'm a doctor and therefore you should just trust me", or because I'm "so smart" I don't have to provide proof, which could possibly be refuted or expose any ignorance or bias I may personally be expressing.  This deception has already been undressed and shown to be completely false by many scholars who have carefully studied the same ancient manuscripts .  What the liberal unbelievers like Mr. Dirks will to do is cherry pick and select out anything that appears to be a problem, remove it out of its context and blow it way out of proportion as to its true significance. In reality the differences are very minor when the do occur and they have never brought any "serious doubt" to the doctrines of the Bible as Dirks falsely claims.  Mr. Dirks here served up patently false claims that he knew would be well received on the Deen Show without any solid proof and it was why no references were given, because then the lie could be easily refuted and his lack of credibility exposed for all to see.

When Mr. Dirks spoke about the history of the Church he again completely avoided any substantive proof for his claims.  He was taught the mocking atheistic view of history which is notorious for revising history to fit their distorted idea of reality.  Many of the post 300 A.D. Roman Church's actions were politically motivated, as they are today. However, the councils that standardized the authority of which Scripture was inspired by God was not done for any political reasons.  It is another liberal trick which uses improper associations to make false generalized conclusions.  It would be like me seeing you eating some pork and then telling everyone I knew that Omar eats nothing but bacon, ham and pork chops for every meal.  It would not be merely unfair and inaccurate, it would be slanderous as well.  And it would not matter if I grew a bread and did it with a smile after I had graduated with my doctorate either, because a lie is a lie.
Mr. Dirks falsely claimed that Paul formed a separate branch of Christianity, utterly defies the historical record and is nothing more than liberal revisionist history.  Then, he went on to concoct a wholly unsupportable accusation saying that first conflicts among "the branches" came in and then later absorption and elimination caused much lost of material.  His fairytale has the fingerprints of a willfully lying atheist all over it.  I would not be surprised if in the future Mr. Dirks would turn on Islam the same way, as such a mind as his is full of deceit and emotional whim.  He has not even displayed even one once of honesty or integrity in his words so far. 

Two minutes further into the video ...Wow, and then he tries to sell us that he left Christianity because of his integrity!  This man has no shame and he has obviously seared his conscience against the truth a long time ago.

Omar, we need to address real evidence that can be put on the table, not this type of argumentation that makes many claims but provides no tangible evidence to investigate or discuss.  Hopefully, the rest of the material you want me to invest my time in has something more to offer than this type of empty, unsupportable rhetoric.

Mr. Dirks lists others like himself that "no longer" believe the Bible (i.e. Bart Ehrman).  To this I will point you to these links on my website for my answer.

Five minute later ...Finally, a source is given by Dirks that I can comment on, "The Interpreter's Bible".  This book is filled with nothing but the things I've already mentioned about Dirks and Ehrman.  The revised history in it is soundly refuted by any scholar that has not soled their sole to the devil to lie on his behalf.  Yes, there are many apostate liberal "scholars" with their PhD's, but having numerous liars does not make the lie become true.  They reminded me of Al Gore and his so-called scientific consensus for man-made global warming, which has been proved to be utterly fictitious.  But, you would never know it was all a big lie if you listened to Al and all his buddies.  Sadly, even now that such people have been fully discredited, millions still believe every word about the same lie that drops off their lips (both Gore and Dirks).

An example from the lies in the "The Interpreter's Bible" is as follows: the statement is made "the original copies of the NT books were not looked upon as scripture by those of the early Christian communities". This is not even remotely true. It is a supposition not consistent with the writings of the early Christian community. All the ancient Christian literature (outside of the NT, like personal letters) indicates that the early Christian community regarded the NT books as divinely inspired and authoritative, just like the OT statements found in the NT, which further indicate that this was true among the first century apostolic church.  But liberals will not let these type of facts get in the way of the lie they are so fond of believing.

Dirks was asked what he believed prior to his so-called enlightenment at Harvard. He then defined fundamentalists (as most liberals will do) incorrectly, saying they believe "word for word" the Bible is pure and unchanged.  This gives away a lot about his prior position, even before Harvard.  You have to go down pretty deep into a cave to find people that actually believe like that, yet every religious belief system does have it's fringe groups, even Islam.  The average "fundamentalist" believes that the Bible is inspired by God and holds His authoritative word for doctrine, correction, reproof and godliness that is to be obeyed, as God is able to preserve His divine message, in spite of the humans He used to carry it forward. Liberals like Dirks, only see the Bible as a nice suggestive set of guidelines that can be set aside at any point according to how they feel in the moment, because they don't take it to have any real literal meaning at all, which he admitted.

On the Trinity: Here Dirks reveals his true lack of biblical understanding, just as it is with most liberal Church leaders, they are extremely biblically illiterate, while they pretend to be so knowledgeable!  Most fundamentalist's school children know more about the Bible than the liberal pastors serving in the pulpits today!  Omar, you should desire to run from liberal idiots like Dirks, not present them as a proof, they are an embarrassment to any who would claim them.  My answer to Dirks nonsense about the trinity is good and you should really read it by clicking on this link:


Please, Yusuf Estes?  I'm so glad he is pretending to be a Muslim and is now an embarrassment to Islam,  instead pretending to be an idiotic and shameful Christian, i.e. one of those loopy charismatics that very often think their "spirituality" (fleshly sin nature) trumps the authority of God's words.  There are far too many like this clown, just turn on the Christian TV network, as about 90% of them are as phony as this guy.  This "genius" make Dirks look like Einstein.

Another Yusuf Estes video “Give Your Heart and It Fit All Things!” was sent to me by an more sincere inquirer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TKAL0YSDHIs.

Greetings and peace to you,

Thank you for your input.  Actually, I have heard Yusef Estes several times.  Sadly, he is very deceived, and thus knowingly or unknowingly he is deceiving his audiences.  Allow me to explain, as one who has studied the Greek the very way Yusef Estes claimed to have studied it, I was able to immediately detect his errors.  By his own admission he is not a very intelligent man, and this became clearly apparent the more he talked.  The nonsense he puts forth as "fact", only works on an audience that is unaware of how the actual ancient languages work (which unfortunately is most people on this planet, regardless of their religious affiliation).

Take the "Koinania" Greek for instance, the term Koinania means "intimate participation".  The ancient Greek language is a very precise language.  Notice how Yusef Estes said he "discovered" that there were many ways to interpolate it? What he was referring to was the inappropriate manner of going back to the root word in the Greek and often having up to a dozen choices for a direction in which to go.  But, anyone educated in the Greek, knows that this is not how the language is correctly handled.  Prefixes and suffixes are attached to those root words in a very deliberate way to give each word a very clear meaning, which is expressed within the context of the other precise words in the text, rarely ever leaving even the tiniest wiggle room concerning the exact meaning intended by the author.  

False teachers, which he admitted he hung out with all the time in his "Christian" experience (birds of a feather flock together), repeatedly use this trick to mislead their audiences, as they will refer to the root word and deviate from theactual word in its context to deceive their unsuspecting and uneducated audience (Christian or Muslim).  Yusef Estes is a false teacher who has simply found greener grass ($$$$) over in the Muslim world to take advantage of.  You are about the forth person that has held this wolf in sheep's clothing up as an example to me as "proof" for Islam, so he must really be making the rounds.  All Yusef Estes does for me is confirm that most people in this world are easily deceived, because they will not invest the time needed to honestly and carefully fact check what they are being told.  If it is pleasant to their ears they believe it without question - how sad.


Jesus said it best, "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." - Matthew 7:13-14



For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.  He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. - John 3:16, 18, 36 & 14:6


I would hope that you might take some time to investigate the facts a bit more carefully, as being wrong on an issue like this has eternal consequences and God loves you and your soul is precious in His sight.  But, God will not forgive sin or have mercy on those who have rejected His personal solution for the curse of sin that hangs around our neck like a tight noose waiting for us to slip into death, so that we will be eternally condemned.  TJ

Suhaib Webb, previously "not really a practicing Christian" by his own admission, i.e. another biblically illiterate (tragedy) "trophy for Islam".  His grandfather was a preacher that founded a college?  So?  Unlike Islam, biblical Christianity is not something you inherit. Christianity is bowing the knee to Jesus and giving Him your life as Lord.  His head knowledge of the Christian terms he learn from his family growing up means absolutely nothing.  He was just one of millions who are a Christian in name only (CINO), or lost pretenders without Christ.  Even though Webb claimed biblical literacy, when he said Jesus did not claim to be God he reveal that he is completely deceived.  The rest of his Islamic "logic" has been answered on my website. How am I supposed to be impressed or swayed by this?  Dirks beats out Webb by a mile as well, and I already revealed Dirks' fraud.

Musa Cerantonio - by his own admission, a Catholic who did not practice his religion and only heard stories occasionally, when his family went to church twice a year.  Generally, Catholics are the most biblically illiterate category of Christian in name only on the planet.  So, Musa ignorance is no big surprise.   Later he was fed atheism in a socialistic school, even though he did not swallow all of it, it influenced him.  Then, he tells of his experience of reading through the OT.  He, like many, does not understand that God gave the Law to show us how short we fall from God's perfect standard of righteousness and holiness, in order to be able to go to Heaven.  No one can keep the whole Law and failing any part of it is sin and sin separates us from God.  The Law was never given for us to attempt to keep it and be made righteous from it.  The Law was given to show us our desperate need for God, so that we would be enlightened and more willing to come to Him on His terms, to be cleansed by Him (through the then future sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of all who believe in Him), then we could walk in righteousness and do good works by the power of the Holy Spirit for God's glory.  Works can't save us, because they have no power to remove our sin, only the blood of Christ achieves this and it is why Jesus did die for us and rose again.  God never intended for us to work our way into Heaven or Prove ourselves worth of Him, because He knew from the very beginning that was impossible.

Musa needs to read things in the Bible like the book of Hebrews, which explains the transition from the OT to the NT.  Testament means covenant, so we were given a New Covenant, because Jesus Christ fulfilled the Old Covenant's requirements of the Law through His perfect, sinless life, death on our behalf out of His love for us, and physical resurrection to prove it was authentic.  Muslims are not the only ones generally ignorant about what the Bible clearly tells us on this, as many within Christendom are unaware of it as well.

The Catholic religion has driven many away from Jesus Christ, because they don't really follow the Bible and they practice much that is forbidden in Scripture.  This is why the great Protestant reformation took place, because the Catholic Church had become its own unbiblical religion that had merely hijacked the name of Jesus Christ and used it as a cloaking device.  And sadly, over the centuries it really hasn't changed, so many still flee from it, and for numerous, good reasons.

For those reading this answer online, scroll down toward the bottom and read about the true biblical gospel, it's under "WHO DEFINITELY WANTS TO GO TO HEAVEN?  DO YOU?"
 

Joshua Evans - Another Methodist liberal CINO, only this one was raised in the culturally conservative south.  He learned to "do Church", but He never found Chrsit and made Him the true Lord of His life.  Those who do, have no cause or desire to go find something else, because they have encountered the one true God.  These testimonies can only sway the pretending CINOs in Christendom who don't know Christ.  I think you cured me from watching any more Muslim testimonial videos on YouTube. Joshua's "textual criticism" is not even on the same level as Dirks, which I have already answered above.  The rest of his objections positions are answered this website. 
 
May the prophets of old light the way for you Omar, TJ.

Adel Thinks That I Should Just Watch The Deen Show, Then I Would Be Enlightened.

Adel, I watched your selected segments of the testimony from a young man (Joshua Evans) who had converted to Islam from Christianity.  As with other Deen Show episodes I have viewed, nothing but one-sided, strawman arguments were raised as proof for Islam against Christianity (which I will address momentarily).  Such rhetoric proves absolutely nothing other than the speaker has a strong bias that bleeds through everything he presents.  The type of rational evidence that shows any kind of contextual criticism for real proof is a phantom that escapes the Deen Show on a regular basis.

The young convert opens with a plethora of nonspecific accusations about the Bible having contradictions, which is something that cannot be answered without a definite reference to examine.  It amazes me that Muslims without much thought are so quick to declare that the Bible has been altered and is full of contradictions, when the opposite is actually true.  The well hidden secret, found directly within the early Islamic writings prove that two thirds of the Qur’an has been changed from the time of Mohammad to now! 
(See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYRxrE3-F8U&feature=related).

After two minutes of wasted emotional bias and non-proof he finally offered an example of his gripe.  He said the Bible could not be from God because it said Noah was a drunkard and David was immoral.  In other words, these men were not “holy enough” to really be representatives of the true God, so the Bible just could not be true.  (I noticed he focused on Old Testament characters and left Jesus, who was perfect, and His apostles in the New Testament out of his carefully crafted strawman.)  Nevertheless, this is an odd argument, as this young man apparently believes that the early founders of Islam were “holy enough” examples to give us God’s true word.  Historical records, both inside and outside of Islam tell us that the founders of Islam engaged in things like polygamy, theft, murder, etc., but evidently these sins are okay, because they were all done in the name of Allah, as given to us by that clever spirit calling itself Jibrael? 

Any neutral source can see the hypocrisy in such a self-righteous position.  Beyond this, the Bible does not gloss over anything, it is the real deal, which verifies all the more that it was inspired by God, because men just do not repeatedly write down the real things that could potentially undermine the message and cause it to become unpopular.  Noah got drunk only once, and that was after seeing the entire earth destroyed in the global flood.  Apparently, Noah felt the heavy emotional loss of seeing and knowing that everything and everyone on earth, except the eight members of his family had been completely wipe out of existence.  That does not make what he did right, but self-righteous condemnation for one mistake, only magnifies the artificial posturing of the accuser.  David definitely did wrong, but his difference was that He admitted it, repented and turned back to God, instead of justifying himself by using his kingly authority or by making up new rules to say it was all in the name of God (and those who question him are infidels worthy only of death, so that he could silence all logical and righteous opposition concerning his sinful deeds).

He stated that Jesus did not die, but only offer his opinion, without any evidence, as to why.  The Islamic myth defies all the reliable and verifiable historical text from that time period.  Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection cannot be rationally disputed on a historical basis by any reasonable or logical method available to mankind.  I commonly hear Muslims tell everyone how truly rational their belief is, while consistently throwing out the most irrational and abused arguments possible; arguments that are easily demonstrated to be false when real evidence is brought to the table
(Josh.org).
 

This young man went on to say that no man can bear the sin or responsibility of another man.  Yes, but Jesus was not just a man, He was God Almighty in the flesh.  So, He can bear our sins if He wanted to, and He loved us enough to do just that.
 

But, then he argued that you can’t kill God.  Yes, because God is an Almighty spirit, so only the body Jesus was in killed, just like our body will die someday, but we will live on.  The resurrection is powerful proof that Jesus is both alive and His sacrifice was acceptable, which He made on our behalf, so that we could be forgiven and receive God’s great mercy.  But rejecting Christ’s sacrifice for us removes the opportunity for God’s mercy to be applied, for no man will glory before God because of his works (Ephesians 2:8-9).
 

He tried to say that the virgin birth of Jesus was nothing special, but failed miserably when comparing Jesus to Adam, who was not born of a virgin, but made from the dust.  The blasphemy against God, the Father and the Son, were replete throughout the video.  Yet, it is no wonder, for the one who does not confess the Father and the Son is being influenced by the spirit of antichrist (1 John 4:1-3).
 

I have answered the rest of his common and false arguments on my website about things like, Is Jesus God or the Son of God and the Trinity, so I will not repeat myself here again.  If you are truly open minded then simply go look them up.
 

Adel, I hope you will open your heart to God, who is truth.  If not now, then maybe when you see the prophecies come to pass and begin to realize that what you were taught to believe was not true.

Peace and God's blessing be upon you, TJ.

 

Ibrahim Asks Many Good Questions, Decries Christian Hypocrisy And Sets Me Straight.

Greetings Ibrahim!  I'm glad you found some time to dialogue with me.  I'll answer in blue text 
within your response to try and keep things cohesive and hopefully avoid any confusion.


Hey, I've just been super busy lately. Anyways I've actually seen the video you sent and others posted by the uploader. What I found interesting was the fact that they all had no real conviction behind what they were saying. They told stories of having dreams etc but
nothing really based on logic or doctrine. I saw conviction and sincerity that related
a real life experience they had, not religious dogma. This is the big difference I have notice
when watching conversion videos. When a person converts to Islam we usually see lots of
religious dogma recited to support, or even justify, the mental decision. However, when
a person comes to Christ (even from those who were within the Christian religion) they
talk about how they encountered Jesus and He changed them with His love and forgiveness.
When you meet the living God, you don't have to try to justify yourself, because you know
He has justified you already. You cannot really understand this until you experience it yourself.

I apologize to say but they appeared to not have been ex-muslims at all rather muslim looking
people acting. Well, you should apologize, because telling someone that they did not experience
something that you know nothing about (and just happen not to believe in) is truly an arrogant
position. Ibrahim, I cannot tell you that you have never had a spiritual experience of some kind
just because I have never experienced it and thus, do not believe in it. That's just wrong. Further,
you are basing your accusation that they are fake on you own inflated opinion, not on any real
evidence. The fact is that you would rather dismiss these types of sincere testimonies as false,
because if they are true it speaks volumes against the religious position you have chosen to lock
yourself into
.

There are many cases of such and I'm not saying the information you're providing is a hoax
rather I'd recommend you actually look into your sources. Since you don't believe it, then my sources
are automatically bad?
Ibrahim, that is not how truth is determined. If it were, then every person
is a god unto themselves, because we are automatically wrong whenever we disagree with what
someone else believes and they are wrong when they disagree with our belief and then truth becomes
pure chaos
. The source was good and Nabeel's testimony is real. I have meet the same Jesus he has
meet, therefore I know when someone is trying to fake it. I have seen plenty of fake Christians, and
Nabeel is not one of them. Why would anyone needlessly put their life at risk of being murdered by
lying and saying he had left Islam? Would you take say a $1000.00 to risk being hunted down and
killed for the rest of your life? Your accusation doesn't even work logically.



My question to you is why does the old testemant talk over and over about a one god?
But, do you realize that it also speaks to the fact that God is in a plural form, more than once?
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness" - Genesis 1:26
Many a Jew has been converted to Jesus when they see that their own Torah shows the Trinity
from the very beginning of the creation of man. Even Islam has its basis in the Torah. Ibrahim,
there is no way to honestly or logically explain this away. (Also, see Genesis 11:7)


Why does Jesus say that he is only sent as a messenger and that the father is greater than he?
Jesus does not say that He is ONLY a sent messenger. My answers on my website are here:
http://www.truthandlife.us/Islamic_Queries-Dissent.html#Christ_Was_Just_A_Man
http://www.truthandlife.us/Islamic_Queries-Dissent.html#The_Bible_Does_Not_Say_That_Jesus_ Is_God

God Almighty, the all powerful three-in-one Spirit of the universe chose to put part of Himself into lowly
human flesh, as Jesus Christ, the Son. His purpose and mission was to live a perfect sinless life and
be the substitutionary sacrifice for humanity, to pay for our sins, because He loves us and knew we
could never absolve our sin on our own through or own religious works, which do not have the power
to remove sin. Also, in the form of the Son in a human body, God demonstrated is perfect character
and true authority in what He taught us and the awesome miracles that He did. Further, He was showing
us how to relate to Him, by living out the example in the body of flesh, which humanity is born into. This
is why He could say that "I and the Father are one" and "the Father is greater than I" without being
contradictory. For, while in the lowly human fleshly body He was still God, but by choice, Jesus had
taken on a in a more humble position than the Father who was in Heaven sitting on His throne. This is
the way God explains Himself Ibrahim, if we reject it, then we reject Him. Jesus said unless you have
the faith of a child, you cannot enter the kingdom of God. In other words, God knew some of things He
would tell us would be difficult, but He told us we had better trust Him like a little child trusts his or her
parents, or we would not go to Heaven.


Why did Jesus pray and if you think Jesus to be God who does a God pray too?
Yes, Jesus prayed to show us how to address God and He even intercedes for believers at the Father's
right hand even now as our great high priest who understands exactly what it is like to suffer as a
human being in the flesh, personally, in an experiential manner. God Almighty did not have to do this,
He did not need to do this, but He did choose to do it. You can either believe verifiable history or Jibrael's
revised history, it's up to you and it will decide the eternal destiny of you soul.


No Christian no matter how knowledagble they are can ever explain the trinity. The trinity isn't
even mentioned in the bible. Please read the answer to this on my website, because you have been
taught wrong about it.
http://www.truthandlife.us/Islamic_Queries-Dissent.html#The_Word_Trinity

Jesus clearly makes himself appear less powerful than God in the bible. When he was asked about the hour he clearly said that none but the fathers know of its time. If Jesus is God why doesn't he know this. (Read Philippians 2:5-11)
Again, while in the earthly body, Jesus took on many of the limitations of humanity by choice.
Trusting the Father, without knowing everything, was one of them, again as a model to us.


There's a story in the bible that talks about Jesus having an encounter with the devil. The devil
later carried him from place to place while also tempting him with worldly things!!! What sense does
it make for a God to be carried around by the devil while also being tempted to by his own Creation?
This is all about Jesus proving Himself to be the perfect, sinless sacrifice for mankind. What has not
been tested is not proved. How it happened, i.e. the devil being allowed to move Jesus in His human
body around from one location to another during the temptation process, while on earth, is a completely
a meaningless point. I often find it sadly amusing that the Muslim mind has invented all these special little
rules and boundaries for God, while at the same time declaring that He is Almighty and can do anything
He wants to, especially in light of the fact that such boundaries are self-invented, having absolutely no
authoritative source behind them. Unfortunately, I believe that crafting a god to fit into one's own thinking
or desires is called idolatry, whether we do it with wood, stone or in the mind, it is still idolatry.


So I ask you have you read the Quran?
I have read the Qur'an, but because it so strongly and clearly contradicts the Law of God and the
prophets, along with a good deal of the rest of sound biblical teaching and I don't
spend a lot of
time with it.


Are you scared to read it because you yourself have doubts?
Because you have said this, it clearly let's me know that you have not been paying close attention to my
previous message to you. I have more confidence then you will ever be able to muster, because God
Himself has told me I am His eternal child and I will spend eternity in Heaven with Him. His Spirit has
personally witnessed to my spirit that I am His sealed possession by His own power, just as He said He
would do, according to His word in the Bible (Romans 8:16 and 1 John 5:10-13). You do not know what
this is like, because you are not yet His child and He has not spoken to you as a result. This is very likely
why you deny anyone could know this or have had such an experience, because the very mention of it
shows you are currently condemned before your Creator. This must be unthinkable to you, because you
consider yourself so faithful and religious. Yet, the same type of insane anger drove Cain to kill his
brother Able and the religious Pharisees to kill Jesus and His followers. I believe it is why religious people
of all types commit murder, because that cannot stand the idea that all their hard work and sacrifice would
be considered meaningless, and they would rather kill the opposition than hear that they only have hell as
their reward. Yet, in murdering they prove that they are really children of the devil, for even Jesus said that
the devil's children come to kill, steal and destroy. The true
God is big enough to take care of His own
vengeance and He tells His real children to not retaliate (Romans 12:19).

If you surely believe in God than you would strive hard to find the right path. Its obvious that Christians are astray. Just take a look at all the doctrines that contridicts each other.
Examples please, no one can defend groundless generalities.
Ask yourself do you really feel as though you are on the right path?
Ibrahim, my name is written in the book of life! How about you? Read Revelation 20:11-15. I know that
your name is not yet there because you are still trusting in your own deeds to make it into Heaven. But as
Jesus declared
in this passage, all who trust in their deeds will be thrown into the lake of fire (Hell) forever.

Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me" -
John 14:6, "I am the resurrection and the life
; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies" -
John 11:25, "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am,
you will die in your sins” - John 8:24.
You can change this as long as you are still alive on this earth,
but the moment you die without Christ, your eternity will be fixed and horribly so.


When it comes to Jesus we Muslims follow his teachings more than Christians do. Jesus spoke of dressing modestly, Jesus taught to say peace when we greet each other, Jesus prohibited the usury, Jesus prayed by falling on his face, Jesus grew a beard. Us muslims do all things mentioned while holding his moral teachings accordingly. Take a look at the church, it has thrown away things taught only through convenience. 50 years ago you would never see a woman go to church with out covering her hair. 50 years ago it was taboo for women to show even there ankles for they guarded there modesty. Know you look at the church and you see women dressed as if there going to a club?! Christians have no problem when it comes to guarding there chasity and have pre-marital sex all the time! Why do you honestly think you are on the right path when you yourself know deep in your heart you have more questions about your religion than you do answers.
I like this one, because in many ways you are right (growing a beard, falling on our face to pray and always
greeting with the word "peace" not commanded in the Bible, but your other points are valid)! In outward
religious behavior most of that which calls itself the "Church" is a complete embarrassment to Christ,
because they are living is disobedience to many of His commands. Jesus said, if you love Me, you will
keep My commandments. Love is a verb and most within Christendom do not Love Christ like they say
they do.

This may shock you to hear me say this, but most "Christians" are actually going to go to Hell.
Even Jesus warned about this problem throughout His parables and several of His other teachings
(Matthew 7:13-23, Matthew 13 and Matthew 25:1-12 are a few examples). Therefore, with so many false
Christians inside the Church (many in leadership) it is no wonder we see such bad behavior that does not
exemplify Jesus Christ at all. You might think if Christians were sincere they would deal with the false
believers and root them out. But, Jesus told us not to, but to leave it to Him to judge the Church and
separate out the true from the false.

We are prophetically on the verge of seeing judgment come against the Church for this disobedience. A
great global persecution is soon coming against all who hold the name of Jesus up in truth. Most of us will
be forced underground, as we will be outlawed, like in China and many Muslim countries already today (I
could really go ballistic on that one, but I will let it pass for now). During this time the fake Christians will
join the "legal" state licensed and officially sanctioned global "Church". The prophets refer to this soon to be
world dominating institution as "the great harlot" (Revelation 17 & 18). It will work in conjunction with the New
World Order (the Rothschild Cartel's beastly government system that will consist of ten rulers, dominating and
controlling the world). The harlot will become drunk with the blood of the saints, the true Christians, through
her short reign of 3 1/2 years - I will be killed during this time period. I believe that this will all begin within the
next 2-3 years for the signs of the prophets are being fulfilled rapidly before us now. So, I am not only prepared
to die for my faith, God has shown me my destiny for the brief time I have left. My website has been designed
to help as many as have an ear to hear, understand what is about to take place and how to be truly right with
God. I hope you will take the time to go through the wealth of information and take advantage of it, even if you
cannot yet believe it. For in time, as you see the amazing fulfillment of prophecy, your heart will be force to
understand what your mind has for so long rejected. But, better late than never, because I want you to be with
me in Heaven Ibrahim.


You must be passionate about this because you're approaching muslims about your faith.
Read the quran and it will move your heart if God wills. I'll recommend that you look within yourself
and study for yourself before you seek to evangelize others. There will be a huge burden on you during the day of judgement for your dealings in leading people astray. Now that you know more about where I really stand, you know I must offer the same warning. But, I will add
this; when you come to the truth and find the peace, love and forgiveness that you have always longed for,
in Christ, bring others with you, because I will look forward to meeting both you and them when we meet
together in Heaven..

Peace be unto you, And Peace be to you as well my friend! TJ

Ps. I apologize if my words are a bit frank but this is a serious issue. Actually, I appreciate your frankness!
And I hope my frankness is equally respected.
Ibrahim Fires back
Greeting again Ibrahim (my responses will be in blue within your comments),

Hey,

I'm glad to have heard from you so soon! I had a huge smile on my face after I read
this email! So lets get to the point... first of what denomination of faith do you
follow? (None, because I simply take the Bible as authoritative and denominations cherry pick
and selectively choose parts of the Bible to follow) I'll also reply to what you replied to make things
easier. I apologize before hand for the grammatical errors. (I could care less about the errors Ibrahim,
your human and we all are not perfect. Perfection is reserve to God and those He chooses to make
perfect through the Blood sacrifice of the Son, Jesus Christ, which is all who believe in Him).

This might well be my last communication as you have demonstrated a lack of sincerity. You have
deliberately ignored the scriptural challenges I put forth (i.e. Genesis 1:26) and have simply decided
to posture where you think you have a better case to argue from. I did not appreciate this, as I
sincerely attempted to answer all your objections without any avoidance. This is what separates the
truth seeker from the pretender every time, and you did not pass this test. Nevertheless, I will
respond to your further objections, with the hope that it may help you in the days ahead, because
I still wish you at my side in Heaven someday, rejoicing together in the wonderful saving grace of
our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I will pray for you and always hold out hope for you my friend.

So if logic isn't enough (I never said this. I'm not the one selectively avoiding the arguments
 that are difficult, it is you who is being illogical and evasive. God told us to love Him with all our
mind as well, so logic is definitely part of the equation. However, logic limited to the microscopic
natural level as Islam wish to dumb it down to, is folly on the level of an atheist.) for you than it
means the only way to truly believe you have truth is to have a vision and or see Jesus? (Not at all,
I was only saying you had no right to dismiss an experience you have no way of understanding or
dismissing with evidence.) So my question to you is which Jesus did you see? (I did not see Jesus
with my physical eyes, He showed up in Spirit, His presence was overwhelming and very real, I
understood Him, but there was no picture to describe, though others have seen Him and He is
described as a Middle Eastern, Jewish looking person. Any other apparitions/forms would definitely
be questionable, I would agree, as you went on about.)

I apologize if this sounds rude but was the Jesus you saw the white one? the black
one? the Mexican one? If we were created in Gods image than does it mean God can be a
black guy, a chinese guy, a fat guy and a crippled guy at the same time? We are indeed
created in his image in a sense that we can be merciful for God is the Most merciful, we
can be just for God is the most Just etc. But for you to think that because it says were
created in his image means that god is a man you are wrong. (Based on what? I agree with you
on the idea of only viewing God creating man in His image, as simply pertaining to the body, is
a shallow interpretation. But, also attempting to negate that part of it is unfounded, because it
is unsupportable. As I asked, what authoritative source can you base that on?)

You are right I'm wrong to assume these stories aren't real. I apologize for that.

So does Nabeels Jesus look like an Arab with bronze skin or is he the Blonde one? (I don't know,
you will have to ask Nadeel.) So lets say his conversion story is true, what benefit does that have
for me? (It would tell you that you may have more to discover; that there is supernatural truth
beyond what you have experienced so far in life.)

If you're so eager to convert muslims you'll have to bring more to the table than someones vision.
Wheres
the logic in the trinity? (Right here! Although the word "trinity" is not found in the Bible,
there is a great deal of scriptural evidence for the three in one nature of God, starting with the first
book of the Bible on through the end.  So, it is not some evil invention, but literally how God defines
Himself to us, which we can either reject, by listening to lying spirits like "Jibrael" (2 Corinthians 4:4 &
Galatians 1:8), or simply accept with God’s word with child-like faith (Luke 18:17).  I've already shown
you how God described himself as a plural/multifaceted being at the creation of man (Genesis 1:1-2,
John 1:1-14, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Colossians 1:15-17
& Revelation 1:1-18), but He also did the same thing
again at the tower of Babel, when He confused the singular language of man by making us speak in
many different tongues (or languages - Genesis 11:7). There are many places in the New Testament I
could point to, and I've already shown the words of Jesus in John 14:6-9 , and Matthew 16:13-17 showing
His deity, which is proof Jesus did claimed to be God and thus part of the trinity.  So, now I'll show you a
couple of places where the Holy Scripture defines the Holy Spirit as God, to complete the trinity for you to
see.


For it is also written, "But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, and
kept back some of the price
for himself, with his wife's full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid
it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, "Ananias,
why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and
to keep back some of the price of the land? "While it remained unsold,
did it not remain your own? And
after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in
your heart?
You have not lied to men but to God." And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last;
and
great fear came over all who heard of it.  The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying
him out, they buried him"
- Acts 5:1-6. 


Also, "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"
--Mark 3:29 and "And
everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he
who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it
will not be forgiven him" - Luke 12:10.  Can you blaspheme and be
eternally damned for saying this against anyone less than God???


Jesus was terrified the night the soldiers came to capture him.So he fell to his face and asked please let this
pass if you wills it. Imagine a God scared to death about dying and being pursecuted, then falls on his face
and asks the stronger God to protect him from something he has no control over.
(You conveniently missed the context here. Jesus was stress out, because He knew that He was about to
have to go through a brutal, merciless beating, flogging and crucifixion, to accomplish a very painful and
undeserved death. This is why He sweat blood and pleaded for another solution. Yet, knowing it had to
be done this way to redeem mankind, He prayed, not my will But your will be done. Again, everything
mentioned about Jesus humbling Himself in a human form before the Father applies here - Phil. 2:5-11)

If you study the original language of the bible you will understand that the language is
very complex. there are some words that can't be translated for there are simply no words
for them. Even in the Quran there an instances all over the place where GOD is refered to
"we" or "us" but through linguistics we know that this is out of Nobilty. It is the "royal WE". In the Quran
it describes GOD as "HE" that doesn't mean he is a man. The Arabic language is very complex. For
instance
there is more than 60 words for it!! For the word Love there are just as many! If Arabic is
Complex imagine Aramaic!! (If you had related this to a specific problem, then it might have made
some sense. Most of the Bible is in Greek (an extremely precise language in its definitions) and Hebrew,
where words are clearly defined by their surrounding context. Therefore, this argument does not impress
or sway anyone who understands this.)

First of all GOD doesn't need to be a human to show us how to conduct ourselves. (Ibrahim, this is one of
the greatest flaws in Islamic attempts at logic! It is not about what God "needs", it is about what God has
done or chosen to do, according to the Law and the Prophets, and/or the Torah and the Gospel! God did
not "need" to create, so does that mean we don't really exist?!?)

He has sent messenger after messenger from, Noah, Moses, Aron, Jesus and many more to
teach us the way. (According to Jibrael, not the Law and the Prophets.) He sent down the torah
and the bible to teach us how to conduct ourselves. (WRONG! The New Testament goes well
beyond mere conduct, explaining that works will not save us
{Ephesians 2:8-9}, rather it is
Jesus sacrifice for us that gives us the hope for an eternal life with God in Heaven.)
Even with Jesus people still don't follow his teachings. (Jesus never said follow those who would
come after Him, outside of the Holy Spirit, but no human disciple or fake disciple is an excuse
for anyone to use. We are to follow Jesus, because we will answer to Jesus, period.)

The father and Jesus is one in Purpose. That's what's wrong with people they take things litterally.
Study linguistics. Theres a difference between implicit and explicit language. Jesus spoke in parables
so what makes you pick and chose verses to make things say what you want? (Does your Bible have
the extra word "purpose" in that verse, because mine doesn't. Nice "implicit" try, but you've got
nothing contextually to base that on, to even remotely justify such an assumption.)

I'm addressed this already. Why would anyone degrade God to become something as low as a
human. God doesn't need to know how we feel or how we suffer. God is above degrading
himself to become apart of his creation to teach us how to be good humans. A computer
technician doesn't need to turn into a computer to teach it how to perform its task. The
technician simply instructs it through code and programing. What makes you think God must
become one of us? (Because He told us He chose to do it that way, not because He needed to.)

The word trinity isn't the problem the problem is that there isn't any
"EXPLICIT" Statement in the bible that says GOD IS MADE OF THREE GODS?! There
is no direct or explict statement anywhere iin the bible that says God is made of three.
Yet there is Statements all over the place in the bible that says GOD is ONE!!! (Wow!
Now you are telling God how He has to speak to you, explicit only! I would not dare to be so
arrogant as to tell God I will reject any implicit language and He cannot judge ME, by anything
other than that which is explicit. Good luck with that one on the day of judgment Ibrahim!)

If you claim to be a man of faith you wouldn't have a problem reading the Quran. In fact
you should be happy too. I've been reading the bible since I was young! I'm been going to
churches and synagoges all my life! Why are you so opposed to reading the Quran. Your
words no longer have weight to me for you are drawing comparisons from the Quran and you
yourself never read it?! What sense does that make?

Sorry I can't get over the fact that you haven't read the Quran. I just started reading the bible
from cover to cover and I am surprised to see how much the quran confirms it
yet I can see just how drastic Christians translate its meaning! For a person that claims
to have the answers about the two faiths I must say I'm surprised you haven't read the
quran yet. I now wouldn't even be surprised if you told me you haven't read the bible at
all. Most Christians only bible flip. In fact there taught to only read certain verses
and certain chapters. (This is discouraging rhetoric and it shows you are not paying attention
to what I told you, or you are just choosing to be annoying. I told you that I read the Qur'an.
However, Jibrael's words have not impressed me as being authoritative, meaning from God.)

Btw Jesus did say peace to his people. John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto
you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. (Yes, but that is different than a command.)
 

Was Jesus The Way, The Truth and The Life For His Day Only?
Lastly, everyone quotes the verse were Jesus says and I paraphrase"for I am the truth 
and the light and no one comes to the father except through me" With this statement
my understanding is that of course no one would get to GOD except through Jesus at that
time. Its a no brainer! YOu can't expect to go to ponchus pliat and get to GOD. YOu can't
Expect to Go to a Roman. Even with that said it obviously points out that were trying to
get to someone greater than Jesus himself... Were trying to Get to God! That by no means
states that Jesus is God for Ultimatley were tring to get to someone greater.
(Nice try again, but I quoted other verses that made it clear Jesus was talking beyond just
that time period to all generations. Try rereading John 11:25 for instance. Further, Jesus'
use of the definite articles nullifies your "no brainer" assumption. Jesus said He was THE
WAY, THE LIFE and THE TRUTH, not "a" way to life and truth for that time period, which is
the way it would have been stated in if your idea was correct.)

 My advice to you pick up the Quran and drop all your preconcieved notions. God is the
most merciful and if you sincerly repent he will forgive you for associating partners
with him. The jist of Islam is to get people to WORSHIP THE CREATOR... NOT THE CREATION!
(I worship the TRUE CREATOR, not a false idol/god invented through the mind of the deceiving
spirit Jibrael. It is you who must repent and make Jesus your Lord and Savior, or be condemned
by Him for rejecting what He did for you, because then you will have to pay for your sins
yourself in Hell forever - John 8:24)

 Peace be with you, Ibrahim-

And peace be with you as well Ibrahim, TJ. 
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